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waytogoal OP t1_jas8rzd wrote

Reply to comment by InTheEndEntropyWins in Glorifying the "self" is detrimental to both the individual and the larger world. It neither helps you find your true nature, nor your role in the larger world. by waytogoal

Well, I don't think so, that collection of organic matter is called a person or individual. I have never heard people use "self" to refer to that.

Self usually means that sense of self, that awareness/agency owning your thoughts.

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_jas9z3k wrote

>Well, I don't think so, that collection of organic matter is called a person or individual. I have never heard people use "self" to refer to that.

I literally quoted a dictionary definition which referred to the "body".

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So_frickin_tasty t1_jaw2ht5 wrote

You're not arguing in good faith. You are arguing across a semantic and somatic chasm, one the OP is willing and able to bridge and you are not.

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_jawe1tl wrote

>You're not arguing in good faith. You are arguing across a semantic and somatic chasm, one the OP is willing and able to bridge and you are not.

The op wants to use some incoherent definition of self which and doesn't exist.

The OP's whole point is that their definition of self is an illusion. I'm just agreeing but saying I don't use that definition, and that outside of Buddhism most people really use that definition.

If you use materialist definitions, you don't have any of the issues or confusion especially compared to the Buddhist definitions.

My question to you is how is it possible for the OP or you to put forth any kind of coherent argument for me to address when you use inherently incoherent definitions of self?

Isn't it guaranteed for some people to think I'm arguing in bad faith when discussing something using such an inherently incoherent definition. Isn't it guaranteed that someone will think I'm arguing semantics against something with an inherently incoherent definition?

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Mummelpuffin t1_jb62yxy wrote

People talk about trying to "find themselves" or to figure out what they inherently want, what their inherent values are, etc., which all requires having the sort of "self" you're insisting people don't believe in.

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