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ValyrianJedi t1_j9k00pk wrote

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[deleted] t1_j9k10mj wrote

Again, that's only the case if we continue with capitalism for housing.

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ValyrianJedi t1_j9k15vt wrote

No, I'm saying that eliminating capitalism from housing would also keep neighborhoods from improving.

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[deleted] t1_j9k2iyr wrote

I don't believe that.

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ValyrianJedi t1_j9k3nfm wrote

The vast majority of improvements made to neighborhoods come from financial incentives. People aren't opening new shops and restaurants and businesses for the heck of it, they are doing it because there is money to be made when people with higher incomes move there. If people with low incomes all stayed those things wouldn't open because there wouldn't be money there to support them... And in terms of improvements to the houses themselves, a massive number of those happen because they see the neighborhood growing and think that they can buy low then eventually sell high. Even of people who are just improving and upgrading things because they want to have improved things, a whole lot wouldn't do so if those improvements weren't reflected in the value of the house. Spending $100k remodeling your kitchen and bathrooms makes a lot more sense when it increases the home value $80-100k. Not nearly as many people would do it if it was just a sunk cost that you never recouped.

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[deleted] t1_j9kwr6c wrote

Everything that you say makes sense if you assume capitalism. Switch to a different economic system and your argument becomes nonsense. Agreed?

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ValyrianJedi t1_j9kzo3c wrote

Swapping away from capitalism doesn't make businesses open in places that they don't have customers, or make people eager to spend large chunks of money they won't get back

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[deleted] t1_j9lk1xy wrote

Even listen to yourself. You start with "swap away from capitalism" and then you go right into consumerism and corporations. Like, you could even go one full sentence without fall back on capitalism again.

The indoctrination was successful.

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ValyrianJedi t1_j9lkg66 wrote

Dude. Do you think that other forms of economies don't have people buying things or shops or something? What on earth are you on about

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