Im-a-magpie t1_j9jy5yo wrote
Reply to comment by Thelonious_Cube in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
>And that is perfectly compatible with determinism
It isn't though. The ordinary concept of free will (the way most people use the term) is directly on contradiction with a deterministic universe
Thelonious_Cube t1_j9mg1io wrote
No, it's not - the ordinary concept is vague and contradictory
Im-a-magpie t1_j9toado wrote
The ordinary concept is simple libertarian free will. There's nothing contradictory about it. Most people just reject a deterministic universe. Compatibilism is motivated by some desperate need to preserve our intuitive notions of justice, morality and ethics instead of accepting that those intuitions are flawed and don't reflect reality.
Thelonious_Cube t1_ja1lvwc wrote
No, that's not correct.
The ordinary concept also includes the idea that one's choices are a product of one's taste, values and experience - therefore tied to the causal history of one's life.
Im-a-magpie t1_ja1uetw wrote
But also that you could, for whatever reason, choose to go against those things.
E: Also people believe taste, values and such are the product of conscious choice.
Thelonious_Cube t1_ja6l8hm wrote
Perhaps so, but the point still stands
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