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[deleted] t1_j7s1b74 wrote

Reply to comment by InterminableAnalysis in Judith Butler: their philosophy of gender explained by Necessary_Tadpole692

Thank you for responding to my post. I appreciate the nuance you provided with my first two arguments but we’re probably not going to see eye to eye on Beyoncé

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InterminableAnalysis t1_j7s319v wrote

I hear you, but I should make it clear that I'm not making any claims about Beyonce in particular, only reporting how intersectional analyses would approach the situation. The details are much more fine-grained in those analyses, and the authors performing them often have some other justificatory arguments, and that just won't all fit into a reddit comment.

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harlottesometimes t1_j7sf4dt wrote

If you had exactly as much money and exactly as much fame as Beyonce but you weren't the same skin color as Beyonce, would people treat you exactly the same as Beyonce?

I propose they wouldn't.

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imdfantom t1_j7tj1f1 wrote

True, but I propose that:

If you had exactly as much money and exactly as much fame as Beyonce and you had the exact same skin color as Beyonce, and looked exactly like beyonce.

In fact even if you were a carbon copy of beyonce in all measurable aspects except that you aren't beyonce, you still wouldn't be treated exactly the same.

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harlottesometimes t1_j7tjfgb wrote

>I propose that even two people with the same skin color would be treated differently even if they were exact twins

How much different would that exact twin be treated if she had a different skin color?

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imdfantom t1_j7tjhfx wrote

Who knows? Could be more could be less

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harlottesometimes t1_j7tjker wrote

>nuh uh. It's racism to talk about race.

Butler's point about intersectionality is that everybody with that skin color knows.

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