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AllanfromWales1 t1_j7r391n wrote

> Some right-wing movements and religious figures who are attached to conservative gender roles have seen Butler as a threat to society. This is ironic, given Butler’s work has always maintained a commitment to justice, equality and non-violence.

Where's the irony? For some conservatives justice, equality and non-violence are all harmful to the society they espouse.

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Johannes--Climacus t1_j7rgwz7 wrote

It’s not actually contradictory, either. You can think someone’s ideas have or could have a negative effect on society even if they don’t intend for that

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Normal-Flower4437 t1_j81488s wrote

Exactly. Justice, equality, and non-violence can be easily misdirected or co-opted.

Justice being the most obvious - justice for whom, and how, and for what? An overzealous desire for justice is one of the most destructive forces you can muster.

Equality is another. Equality for whom, and accomplished how? Violent redistribution seeks equality. A lot of antisemitism is rooted in outrage over inequality. The entire equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity debate we are having right now exists because those two values of equality are fundamentally in conflict.

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Cautious_Piccolo942 t1_j7tmmf6 wrote

Like TRAs had absolutely no clue that their philosophy plus Hidden Predators inevitably leads the The Handmaid's Tale?

I dunno man that's hard to believe

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Johannes--Climacus t1_j7tn5yq wrote

I literally have no idea what this means

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circa285 t1_j7r6x1d wrote

I would argue that what conservatives seek to conserve is their grasp on power through preserving existing power structures that elevate themselves while excluding undesirables. It should come as no surprise that conservatives hate the effigy of Butler that they've built.

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grauskala t1_j7rv1nz wrote

So progressives in power are conservatives?

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Sgt-Hartman t1_j7s8say wrote

There is such a thing as intolerance of the intolerant. I believe George Orwell talked about how that’s necessary.

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grauskala t1_j7tv10r wrote

Is that a defining feature of contemporary progressives vis-a-vis conservatives though?

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HoneydewInMyAss t1_j7v1gok wrote

Lol, you're circling around your own semantics.

Sorry, you're just wrong, no matter how often you repeat yourself. No matter how many buzzwords you throw in there.

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HoneydewInMyAss t1_j7v1dgr wrote

Considering progressives seek to eliminate existing power structures, your comment fundamentally makes no sense

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wockyman t1_j7r6t4z wrote

>I say what happened, then you say what happened. Then I decide who's right. That's why we call it "justice." Because it's "just us!"

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