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porkchameleon t1_j3e3lk2 wrote

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> But I'd prefer my taxes going to something like this over $50B going to Ukraine.

By what I've heard it was way over $120B ($3B more was announced this week), and it hasn't been a full year yet (you can google it yourself, there are different numbers being floated around, but it's mos def over $100B by now).

(You are also comparing spending money on saving people's lives to spending money to have more people die).

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proximity_account t1_j3eebae wrote

>You are also comparing spending money on saving people's lives to spending money to have more people die).

Kind of depends on your perspective there. I imagine a lot more Ukrainians would be dead by torture and execution by Russians if it weren't for military support from the West.

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porkchameleon t1_j3f0nxk wrote

> I imagine a lot more Ukrainians would be dead by torture and execution by Russians if it weren't for military support from the West.

Tell me you read only mainstream media without telling me you read only mainstream media. Please...

(This kind of take is my new favorite after reading armchair experts on Israel-Palestine conflict for some years).

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proximity_account t1_j3f9ojn wrote

It's more a matter of known numbers in a short time under war vs unknown numbers over a long time under an authoritarian government. The Kremlin doesn't exactly publish the number of people it throws out windows, etc; most authoritarian regimes don't.

And if mass Graves in Izium, Bucha, and possibly Mariupol are just the tip of the Iceberg of what Russia might want to do to Ukrainians, things can go bad real fast. It took 4 years to kill six million Jews and 100 days to kill 500,000 Rwandans.

How long do you think it will take Putin, who thinks Ukrainine/Ukrainians shouldn't exist and constantly paints them as sub-human Nazis, to kill more than the ~50-200k people that have died during the war before something if anything finally stops him?

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porkchameleon t1_j3fhmvy wrote

> How long do you think it will take Putin, who thinks Ukrainine/Ukrainians shouldn't exist and constantly paints them as sub-human Nazis, to kill more than the ~50-200k people that have died during the war before something if anything finally stops him?

Yeah, you completely lost me. Don't lay out "facts" like this, when your main source of propaganda is US mainstream media, and you seemingly have little to no understanding of what's been going on in that particular region in the best part of last 100 years.

I am embarrassed to have been a part of this conversation.

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proximity_account t1_j3fqal7 wrote

> Yeah, you completely lost me. Don't lay out "facts" like this,

Yeah, people like you who don't know history tend not know what's coming.

> your main source of propaganda is US mainstream

I actually don't watch any US media other than listening to NPR for US politics. Maybe some AP news sneaks in there occasionally.

Where do you get your news? Russian state television?

> you seemingly have little to no understanding of what's been going on in that particular region in the best part of last 100 years.

I'd say I understand it pretty well. A lot of what I understand comes from people that actually lived there.

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