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ConfiaEnElProceso t1_j3bp7vz wrote

Reply to comment by ColdJay64 in Woman Struck, Killed After Leaving Popular Philly Cheesesteak Shop by beeps-n-boops

The driver killed another human with their car. They obviously were moving too quickly to be safe. The rest is just noise.

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Shrewlord t1_j3dhivo wrote

You've never driven a car in a city before and seen how easy it is to hit careless pedestrians walking into roads

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SomeOtherOrder t1_j3cigxc wrote

You’ve clearly never been in that part of town.

People run across 4 lanes there constantly for a fucking cheesesteak. Not saying they deserve to get hit but it’s 100% their fault if it happens.

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Unpopular_couscous t1_j3cs45e wrote

Please please stop defending cars over people 🙏 we build this whole city for cars and now we get the results we wanted out of it.

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nalgene_wilder t1_j3gqu1c wrote

The infrastructure being bad and this woman being a fucking idiot are not mutually exclusive concepts. You know what I do when a street is unsafe to cross? I don't cross it, no matter how much I want a damn cheesesteak

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SomeOtherOrder t1_j3orcy9 wrote

Driving a car on Henry Ave at an uncontrolled intersection is 100% legal.

Crossing 4 lanes of travel on foot with no traffic controls is not.

Please please stop defending idiots who want a cheesesteak over people just trying to get home 🙏.

I feel like I need to repeat that the people doing this by and large drove there and didn’t feel like finding parking. It’s more convenient for some reason to park across the street and try to run across rather than walk a little further to Walnut and wait to cross. That’s objectively their fault.

I understand no one really deserves to get hit by a car but at what point do you put some blame on people running across a dangerous busy street for the sake of a fucking cheesesteak?

If somebody I knew got hit doing this, yes, I’d be sad for them. But I wouldn’t remove their responsibility from the equation.

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Unpopular_couscous t1_j3qwxkt wrote

I sit in the passenger seat most days and watch other drivers. At least 50% of these mfers are texting behind the wheel. The other half decided that red lights are stop signs and they can disregard and and all driving rules. I have no sympathy left for most drivers. The woman, however, is now dead.

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ConfiaEnElProceso t1_j3ck026 wrote

I am quite familiar with Roxborough. Henry Ave is a death trap for much of it's length but nowhere more than that area. How much blood does OTIS and Streets need to make changes to prioritize safety?

That said, it is crazy dangerous and everyone driving through the area should operates their vehicles with that in mind. Doing 45 or even 35 through that intersection is simply not safe, and vehicles are frequently going well faster than that.

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SomeOtherOrder t1_j3oqlg5 wrote

Alternatively: don’t run across the street there just because you want a sandwich.

These are rarely people that walked the whole way. Most of them drove there and ran across the street because it was more convenient than finding parking.

I always obey the speed limit in that area specifically but it doesn’t stop dumbasses from casually strolling across the street. People driving too fast should be reprimanded but you’re a reckless idiot if you’re crossing that street on foot with no traffic controls.

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An_emperor_penguin t1_j3d3ie1 wrote

> People run across 4 lanes there constantly

if people are crossing like this all the time it means the crossings are straight up designed incorrectly, but OTIS/Streets probably think doing it right could maybe slow down traffic so it's not worth it compared to people being killed.

The driver was also clearly going too fast for a heavily pedestrian area if they killed someone but I'm sure they'll get a "it's not you're fault" and go right back to driving dangerously

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41sa t1_j3exanr wrote

Like you've never jay-walked before.

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SomeOtherOrder t1_j3optar wrote

Of course, everyone has jaywalked.

…but you’re asking for a problem if you’re doing it there specifically. It’s 4 lanes with no traffic stops for at least 100 ft in either direction.

The problem is that it’s very normalized at that spot for no reason other than an overrated cheesesteak.

Jaywalking at a normal intersection with no traffic is one thing. Jaywalking like anywhere on Henry Ave is a shitty risk to take.

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