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Avenger020331 t1_j56j2te wrote

Reply to comment by Edison_Ruggles in Robbery victim takes knife, stabs suspect: Philly police by K1ngchip

The police likely scooped the stabbing victim and didn’t wait for medics as is typical in the city. I also didn’t read the article so correct me if I’m wrong.

Source: Philly medic who never makes it to stabbings/shootings because cops want to play medic.

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PurpleWhiteOut t1_j56qvpm wrote

It's not that they want to "play" medic. The hospitals/universities did a study that showed a higher survival rate because police were more often able to get victims to hospitals faster. It does seem weird, but the data support it

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SuperScrodum t1_j56thr2 wrote

Injured Person: "Please, take me to the hospital I'm bleeding profusely,"

Police Officer: "I can't, we have to wait for a medic."

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Avenger020331 t1_j5705y5 wrote

If I remember correctly, from people at hospitals and on the job involved in said study, the study ended up being skewed. Let me look for a source.

Just personal anecdote at this point but if you guys saw the way these victims were thrown around the back of a police car going Mach Jesus down these mangled up Philly streets, with no airway care or bleeding control attempted, you might think that maybe waiting for an ambulance was a better option.

I’ve watched cops and doctors pull out what was a perfectly viable person out of the back of a police cruiser floor, not seat. They had been thrown around so violently and landed in a position that offered no airway control or bleeding control and were DOA by the time they hit the hospital. Obviously attempts were made to resus. them, but extended downtime in the back of a cruiser all tangled up did not help their case.

Just my hot take which counts for nothing after all, but an inside view might help.

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themoneybadger t1_j5758fd wrote

I know many ER doctors that think the police program saves lives, so I guess that's your grain of salt. There is no one size fits all. Getting people to medical treatment ASAP is the goal.

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Avenger020331 t1_j570gxl wrote

Cops wanted court overtime then. Pick your poison lol.

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themoneybadger t1_j575lls wrote

Your cynicism is pretty messed up. Philly Police are generally dogshit but them diverting resources to get people to the hospital ASAP is probably the best thing they do. The fact that you are shitting all over it because you don't get to play medic first is really sad.

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Avenger020331 t1_j57657j wrote

Hardly my guy. It’s not about playing medic, but the lack of patient care they’re receiving and inevitably dying I the back of the cop car due to being thrown in.

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themoneybadger t1_j577wyo wrote

Right. As opposed to the patient care they get bleeding out on the sidewalk while the cops wait for the ambulance, unsure when it will get there. Nobody is saying that a cop is a better transport than an ambulance. The choice is do nothing and wait, or take action and get to them to the hospital yourself.

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Avenger020331 t1_j57bflu wrote

I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m asking for better medical care for patients from all parties involved. The police are woefully undertrained in any sort of basic first aid. Including the use of tourniquets, many of which they carry on them but never use. And they have extras, not just ones for themselves should they need it.

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