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njpchamp t1_j66in5c wrote
Just drove thru CC on my way home. People out, nothing happening.
SouthPhilly_215 t1_j66jsul wrote
The Eagles should protest… The whole damn league should protest. Jesus Christ! That footage is sickening.
_token_black t1_j66ec8c wrote
I'd say 1/2 of that is probably the group of people who are a part of every protest group, that are just there to also get their cause some exposure.
TrentonMakes t1_j66f6op wrote
It is, curiosity got the best of me during my walk home from the office. It’s the same people from the Democrat Socialists of America group that organizes protests around the area. I doubt riots will break out considering the 5 cops already got fired and charged with some degree of murder.
_token_black t1_j66fs6z wrote
And the damn unit was already disbanded. Hopefully the 5 of them get the book thrown at them.
It's also fucking cold & dreary out, and good luck getting anybody to go out of their way to riot in freezing temps. The only person who acts like people go out of their way to do something shitty in the cold is Jussie Smollett.
TrentonMakes t1_j66gnfd wrote
I’m all for protests and it’s good that it’s an organized effort but nothing justifies a riot. I own a couple grocery stores and they were looted during the last riots, like I had anything to do with Minneapolis and Walter Wallace. If this was a hot summer month I’m sure it would get out of control.
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66nh4w wrote
I wonder. I would never want to live through the scariness of 2020 again. I would never want to fear my house or business could be destroyed. But when I saw Derek Chauvin convicted, even now when I saw Tyre’s killers convicted, I wondered if they did what they were supposed to out of fear of nationwide riots coming back. It feels like that’s the language the powerful understand. So then it’s like, how mad can you get at people for forcing the issue that way
TamaraTime t1_j66y6qg wrote
Memphis 5 haven’t been convicted, and there’s still a chance for Chauvin on appeal. There’s also been no real substantial progress reaped from the 2020 pushback. Irl there’s been even more cash thrown at policing in a misguided effort to better “training”. This is the shit they’re trained to do: you as blue are first and foremost, everything else is secondary.
And though I feel a bit for your personal experience 2020 summer wasn’t scary to most. It was a handful of OOP situations e.g. 6/2 in CC, Aramingo, 52nd, and a bit of West in October. They did what they were supposed to down Memphis because it’s what they’re supposed to do. Their hand was forced bc of the severity of the crimes, not bc the threat of isolated property damage
_token_black t1_j66h75q wrote
True, and while I understand why riots happen (Detroit riots, LA in the 90s), the narrative of "insurance will cover it" or "oh big corporation, they'll be fine" is the worst justification and flies in the face of what MLK said about riots.
It's hard to find, but there are still areas of Minneapolis that either haven't rebuilt or are just shells of their former selves now 2 1/2 years later. I remember reading about most independent owners struggling to get permits just to raze the plot of land and having to go through bureaucracy either with the city or insurance companies to just start over.
ItsjustJim621 t1_j66qx8e wrote
From what I understand, there’s several charges they’re all facing.
One is aggravated kidnapping. There’s also aggravated felony assault. And the major one…second degree felony murder, which is pretty much the highest murder charge one can get before we get into the pre-meditated definition.
NAL but…having being married to one before, intent can be formed in an instant. I wouldn’t be surprised if prosecutors would argue that too
_token_black t1_j676mqv wrote
Yeah, seeing all those charges makes me hopeful. Still that tinge of doubt, but hopeful of justice.
JBizznass t1_j66eehs wrote
Ya know…. The eagles might just be what saves the city from burning for a 3rd time in as many years.
HotPoptartFleshlight t1_j66evct wrote
50 people who are just addicted to protesting something since any realistic demands have been addressed for almost a week now.
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j66uahd wrote
Realistic demands like meaningful public oversight of police departments?
HotPoptartFleshlight t1_j6720r1 wrote
To accomplish what beyond arresting every involved officer?
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j67mkan wrote
Figuring out why the fuck this happened at all, destroying the culture of police impunity, and an acknowledgement that this is a widespread issue should be a start.
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j67o9t4 wrote
Also, figure out what the fuck this statement was based off and fire the entire chain of command that wrote and approved it.
https://twitter.com/dyjuantatro/status/1619158230369964036?s=46&t=e8_ll_j2qy_-PHwp5Cs4kg
Police cover for each other, it’s literally their culture. So no, arresting the cops who did this is not enough, police flat out cannot be trusted to be honest with the public and this is a vivid example of that.
HotPoptartFleshlight t1_j68ppr0 wrote
Ah, fair enough.
sparklydude t1_j66agyw wrote
It was a bad and gruesome video but all the cops involved are fired, and charged, idk what much else can be done to placate people
Psychogistt t1_j66ilmc wrote
Stop giving the police so much money
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Raecino t1_j66jply wrote
Probably because the cops were black
Hoyarugby t1_j66mdq3 wrote
Unfortunately probably true
Videos from this are bad but nowhere near as bad as the Daniel Shaver video, and they let the cops who killed Shaver retire on disability. I've seen videos of ISIS executions and those were only somewhat worse than the Shaver video
Raecino t1_j66n3p1 wrote
There’s countless videos of people being killed by the police and immediately many come to their defense saying things like “well what happened before the cameras started recording?” immediately casting doubt on the victims and giving the police the benefit of the doubt. As you all can clearly see, these officers were immediately fired and charged, as they should be! But that should be the way these cases are handled across the board, not just against black officers.
jf1702 t1_j66utef wrote
That one still haunts me because it was truly a “this can happen to anyone” set of circumstances.
And yet, you say his name to 100 people, how many will recognize him? 1 or 2? Got no widespread media coverage.
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MedievalFightClub t1_j66ej0x wrote
What happened?
Hoyarugby t1_j66lr1m wrote
After a traffic stop in Memphis a bunch of cops beat a guy to death, and they just released video and body camera footage
Motophoto t1_j66f7zi wrote
it's not about placating people, justice needs served here. this needs to be a capital offense for all cops involved. Death penalty needs to be on the table
Psychogistt t1_j66h4jt wrote
Exactly. We need to kill people to teach people not to kill people.
The fucks the matter with you?
km89 t1_j66sel8 wrote
An alternate perspective: these people have done something that arguably makes them not worth rehabilitating. They are willing to literally kill the citizens they're supposed to protect, seemingly for no reason at all other than perverse enjoyment. A man is dead so that these people could exercise their authority and power.
I personally don't support the death penalty... largely because I don't trust that the government will use it correctly, and that largely based on decades of evidence of wrongful convictions.
But if it were to be allowed and used correctly, it would have to be a method of removing un-rehabilitatable, dangerous people from society. People who either cannot ever be trusted not to be a danger or who have shown that they are unwilling to cooperate with reform attempts.
I don't disagree with the death penalty as a concept, in some fictional ideal world where it would only ever be used on people we know will never not be dangerous to society. We don't live in that world, but I sympathize with people who believe that people who commit crimes like this should just be removed.
_token_black t1_j66bgvn wrote
And there's zero way to paint it as racially motivated
manickittens t1_j66elqp wrote
I didn’t realize wanting to protest against police brutality only counts if the officers are white.
_token_black t1_j66fb7a wrote
I didn't realize I said those words, but hey, thanks for giving me the feeling of watching the news. Love having narratives painted out of thin air.
Psychogistt t1_j66ira8 wrote
Biden is already making it a racial issue
Edit: they always want it to be a culture issue instead of a class issue. Keep us divided and conquered.
manickittens t1_j66iwe1 wrote
Because Tyre Nichols was a Black man? Because Black and Brown men are targeted by law enforcement at significantly higher rates than white men?
Psychogistt t1_j66jgcw wrote
You think the cops were racist in this situation?
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66k8la wrote
Black people can be antiblack, absolutely. A lot are. I personally have been when I was much younger, I’m not proud to admit it but it’s true. That’s common for all communities, hating your own people (I keep bringing up women as my other example, this is like the women who say “I’m not like other girls, I can’t be friends with other women, I’m only friends with guys”) it’s standard stuff
Psychogistt t1_j66m9f9 wrote
It’s possible that all 5 of the police officers are anti black racists, but I think you’re also discounting the influence of class in this situation.
Police routinely prey on the weak and vulnerable, regardless of race.
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66mifb wrote
I agree with that.
manickittens t1_j66kkk5 wrote
I believe the entirety of the law enforcement system as it currently stands is inherently racist. Law enforcement, regardless of their individual racial or ethnic backgrounds, have shown that they view each other as “blue brothers” with the goal of protecting each other and consolidating power. When Black people were enslaved peoples in the US who did the white owners rely on to enforce and punish the “field slaves”? I sincerely doubt they would have done this to a white man pulled over for a traffic stop.
Psychogistt t1_j66lpga wrote
I think it’s pretty racist to compare black police officers to black slave drivers.
I do think there is systemic racism in law enforcement, but that’s not the primary driver here. The power they are primarily consolidating and protecting is class power. Police brutality happens regularly to working class white Americans as well.
manickittens t1_j66mch7 wrote
It was an analogy to show how the racist system utilizes folks being oppressed to work against their own best interests.
But you have a good night! Stay safe!
km89 t1_j66tdsk wrote
>Police brutality happens regularly to working class white Americans as well.
I'm sure, but it's worth pointing out the overtly racist elements of police behavior. It's not even remotely out of the realm of possibility that these cops have gotten it in their head that they are some of the "good ones" who either personally or whose family at one time escaped the hood, and have contempt for those who have not. I've personally head almost as many black people as white people make the comment that "there's n*****s and then there's black people." (EDIT: Though, to be fair, my social circle is mostly white. It's possible there's a bias there, regarding which black people choose to be a part of that circle or are made to feel uncomfortable doing so.)
Here's a personal anecdote. Probably about 10 years ago or so, I was in an acquaintance's back yard. There were a group of white adults, white teenagers, and one black teenager. All of us were borderline white-trash at the time.
A cop car comes screaming up the driveway. Two officers jump out, ignore every single white person, and tackle the black teenager. They ended up fracturing his skull and breaking his nose. We later found out that they were doing a drug bust... at the wrong house. I offered to testify, but the victim and his family never took me up on that and I have no idea if it went anywhere.
The point is, we were all very obviously of similar economic background--but somehow that was not enough to cause police brutality to the white people, but was enough to cause police brutality against the black person.
I think it's true that police action is largely class-based, but it's also important not to forget that there are racist elements at play.
nonbinaryunicorn t1_j66jhys wrote
All cops are complicit when ACAB
Accounting_Idiot t1_j66bxjd wrote
All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy in the United States.
31November t1_j66c7zb wrote
IMO, Cops protect the rich, not just the white rich.
There's significant overlap, but the goal is to protect the wealthy, not just the white wealthy.
_token_black t1_j66hxpu wrote
That was my point but the damn edgelords downvoting me from Lansdale & Springfield (or even from Northern Liberties or some college dorm) only want to burn the system, period. Nothing short of anarchy.
Guess who gets blamed when that shit happens? Won't be them...
TechSquidTV t1_j66cr86 wrote
>All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy in the United States.
All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy the rich in the United States.
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Fixed that for you.
_token_black t1_j66enju wrote
That's a damn lie. If a cop knows you have $$ (and we're talking old $$ not just in a nice car) you are teflon.
Poor white people get fucked up by the judicial system too, just like poor Chinese, poor Hispanic, etc. If you're poor and suspected of a crime, you're fucked. If you're rich and (somehow) suspected of a crime, you can buy your freedom.
HotPoptartFleshlight t1_j66ep4e wrote
What a nuanced multifactor analysis.
The unironic "5 black cops beating a black man is to uphold white supremacy" take as if you're living in a satire.
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66fjjk wrote
I don’t think it’s that weird. There were Black slave drivers. There have always been all kinds of people that sell out their own people. See: women who specifically target and tear other women down in the workplace, etc. That’s much less serious but it’s the same principle
31November t1_j66ghb5 wrote
I get what you're trying to go for, and if you want to abstract this to the point of "police culture is furthering white supremacy" then I think you are coincidentally right to a degree, but I would still argue that the main point or the main toxin to police culture (that these five black officers upheld) is to protect the rich.
White people tend to be the rich, but the focus is on wealth, not race.
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66hu2i wrote
I don’t like seeing people limit it to a class thing because it feels like they’re erasing the race piece of it when the race piece is foundational too. I see it as based in both, money and race.
Edit: I think I’m trying to say- race stuff feels so tied up with class anyway. In the US Black people are a permanent underclass. The country assigned people to be slaves and then to be under resourced after that (through policy decisions like blocking Black ppl from home ownership, blocking ppl from good jobs, etc.) Race is the way they assigned people’s class so it feels weird to just take that out of it when it matters- I don’t want to erase who is doing the worst with the police and why the way “it’s just about class” feels like it’s erasing it, does that make sense?
31November t1_j66kl68 wrote
Thank you for explaining your POV, and I think I understand what you're trying to say.
I agree that there is so much overlap that it does feel like effectively a race-war - I mean, you live here in Philly, look at the demographics of Kensington v. Society Hill - so I guess trying to draw the two (race versus class) out too much can be counter-productive, even if I personally would weigh one over the other.
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66l7zw wrote
Yeah! I think you’re dead on. The overdrawing one or the other is the issue. I have noticed what you’re talking about with demographics in Philly and it has made me kinda moderate my past viewpoint that race was everything in terms of who gets what - in Philly it’s clear that that’s not true. Thanks for your thoughts
Walkswithheaddown t1_j66h1wy wrote
Money bag George S. Sold out the Jews.
Psychogistt t1_j66iz9i wrote
Biden is already painting it as a racial issue
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OptimusSublime t1_j66i2j1 wrote
I think because of the way it was handled immediately (firings, criminal charges) this one doesn't feel like it's being swept under the rug and the need to protest is greatly diminished.
zooberwask t1_j66quhr wrote
The people protesting in Memphis right now don't give a shit the police were arrested this one time, they'd prefer to not die from police period.
PhillyAccount t1_j66c9lf wrote
I'm going to riot if I have to listen to helicopters all night.
Jokes aside, no. In 2020 people were all bent out of shape about covid still and all the young people were cooped up at their parents house instead of at school. Different setting now.
PurpleWhiteOut t1_j66cuwh wrote
Yeah I think having a downtown that stays active at night makes it less likely. Last time everything was boarded up and abandoned as well. Now people are out and about to drink or eat out on a Friday
Electrical_List_2125 t1_j66ews1 wrote
I think people protest when they are available. People were available in 2020. And reflecting on life and speaking to each other. I think the state has made sure that we all get back to work and school so that kind of uprising can never happen again.
TPPH_1215 t1_j66nfn8 wrote
Same in Cincinnati. We had windows broken at the buildings of the property company I worked for. Seemed like a lot of younger people just cooped up. I could hear whatever type of bangs they were using from my house 10 mins away from downtown.
purpilia25 t1_j66aivs wrote
Interested in this too. I work in CC and want to make sure my staff get home safe.
jwill602 t1_j66dk92 wrote
From my understanding, cops have been prepping today for possible violence
DonQOnIce t1_j66hjkd wrote
They were all over 52nd st on foot around rush hour so I know this video is bad. Haven’t seen it yet myself. But yeah, they wanna get ahead of any possibilities.
Raecino t1_j66jt71 wrote
Your staff wouldn’t get attacked. Have you heard of these type of protests leading to random people being attacked?
Business_Marketing76 t1_j66prkr wrote
Others take advantage of the protests. For various reasons.
purpilia25 t1_j6a3has wrote
I wasn’t so much concerned of them being attacked, just that the roads/septa would be closed or inaccessible. But it was all good!
blazers19104 t1_j66dp1d wrote
Just passed through and cops are ready but nothing yet
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Scumandvillany t1_j66ch6q wrote
No
Ng3me t1_j66filt wrote
Zero percent chance.
Hoyarugby t1_j66m4ru wrote
No. Even if this does become more akin to George Floyd, it still took time from the original Minneapolis protests to spread nationwide. And unlike Floyd this led to immediate consequences for the cops, and the authorities got to manage the video release
I'd be more worried about the Atlanta killing, that body cam footage is due to be out soon as well and that person was an activist and those cops have not been fired. If that video shows an illegitimate killing that could lead to more protests
Kallisti7 t1_j66mtg4 wrote
I’m in the ER at Pennsylvania Hospital and it’s completely empty at 9:08 pm! So …
philthadelphia2458 t1_j66dgcs wrote
I could see it happening, the videos were horrific. There are no words. Worst I’ve seen.
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philthadelphia2458 t1_j66ejdn wrote
You can see it here.. warning it’s horrific footage. https://www.cnn.com/specials/live-video-0
philthadelphia2458 t1_j66eofd wrote
Or direct from Memphis PD Vimeo account: https://vimeo.com/cityofmemphis
Frontstunderel t1_j66oip4 wrote
Nope
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Pickletonium t1_j66cfpb wrote
Why would you say yes?
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Pickletonium t1_j66curz wrote
Yes, but again, why do you think yes to riots in Philly?
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JBizznass t1_j66eitz wrote
We’re you around for the two round of riots in 2020? Why did people in Philly riot then?
Pickletonium t1_j66m7ah wrote
The unrest that occurred in 2020 was a very different situation. You can't boil down what happened that summer simply as a result of a protest.
Dickenstein69 t1_j66lp8k wrote
None at all.
JohnDerek57 t1_j66orx0 wrote
Rioting in Philadelphia for something that happened in Memphis that wasn’t racially motivated? I seriously doubt it. Protesting sure but rioting?
Hashslingingslashar t1_j66wek8 wrote
No
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Unfair_Driver884 t1_j66xuxs wrote
If the cops had been white, yes.
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kemmes7 t1_j66jojg wrote
I’d be more worried about riots tomorrow after the Eagles game
njpchamp t1_j66kszp wrote
The Eagles play Sunday
revdchill t1_j66ku8v wrote
Why?
kemmes7 t1_j66ls3s wrote
They’re planning to shut down all traffic Vine to Lombard 8th to 20th for the game
TaimAgTeacht t1_j66mit8 wrote
Yeah for the after party?
revdchill t1_j66r30w wrote
Eagles winning the Super Bowl was the least amount of arrests on a Sunday in a long time. Eagles losing the Super Bowl wasn’t a riot either. This ‘philadelphia will burn the city no matter what’ is a crap late night tv show narrative. I don’t think we riot much for sports. I’ve only lived here for 30 years but I think that’s longish
njpchamp t1_j66drd4 wrote
Protestors started at city hall and headed into rittenhouse sq according to 1060AM. It was 50ish people from a political action group, I don’t see that turning into a riot. The Eagles are playing at home this weekend, I really don’t see anything happening but who knows.