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TheBSQ t1_ixktdlo wrote

As someone that has worked in low-income communities for decades, one thing I don’t think “normies” get is that when you have multiple generations of severe poverty in a row, shit gets really fucked up in deep and profound ways that there’s no quick fix to. It takes like half a century (if not more) of sustained and committed work to create incremental progress one generation at a time so that the grandkids of today’s severely poor have a decent chance.

But if you’re thinking geography, not people, sometimes you can revive areas via gentrification and displacement.

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_crapitalism t1_ixl5csx wrote

that's why I always hate when people on hear complain about krasners policies "not working." like, yeah, you're dealing with multi-generational poverty. nothing that the DA has power to do will improve the situation overnight. it'd take decades of no mass incarceration to even begin seeing the effects of such policies.

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GooFoYouPal t1_ixm096s wrote

It’s not his job to fix multi-generational poverty. His job is literally to prosecute crime. He’s objectively failing to do that or prove to be even remotely competent.

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doc89 t1_ixlxrx5 wrote

Just have to put up with decades of violent crime and rising murder rates, then obviously everything will get magically better for reasons, yeah makes perfect sense

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_crapitalism t1_ixmeyr7 wrote

we've put up with that because of decades of tough on crime DAs who have put massive swaths of the city into deep poverty. we need to stop doing that if we ever want crime to get better long term. the US has the highest incarceration rate of any country on the planet, yet somehow, we still haven't become the safest country on the planet. we need to try something different, and allowing time for families to build wealth without being incarcerated is a good idea.

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doc89 t1_ixmfsau wrote

The idea that incarcerating violent criminals is a primary cause of poverty is completely insane, imo

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_crapitalism t1_ixmh9md wrote

take a look at the list for yourself and draw your own conclusions. sort by incarcerations per 100k and scroll until you find a low-poverty nation anywhere near the US. then come back here and tell me the problem is we don't arrest enough people.

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doc89 t1_ixmjrsw wrote

I'm not saying "the problem is we don't arrest enough people". I'm saying "stop arresting people" is not a serious strategy to fight poverty.

Correlation does not imply causation. The US is a very different country than most of our low-crime European peers. We have orders of magnitude more guns, violence and crime. Hence it should not be a surprise that our incarceration rate is higher.

There are certainly arguments to be made that we incarcerate way too many people for, e.g., drug related offenses, but a blanket policy of "stop arresting people" seems like pure insanity to me.

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_crapitalism t1_ixmlm8g wrote

I never said stop arresting people for violence, I said that arresting more people is linked to more crime, and so arresting less people for things like possession of drugs, petty theft, and other minor offenses is good, and not charging those people is good policy.

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