Have a neighbor just like this. Duplex, one big family lives in both units, among the entire family they have 2 minivans, a SUV, and a sedan…. The dad even had the nerve to try to start putting a cone out to save spots, I ended that before it even started

No excuses, the parking pass for multiple cars registered to the same address need to cost waaaayyyyyyy more (and the third and fourth more expensive still).. Four per household is unsustainable.

Ive heard it gets weird though for the year when you move in a place and theres several cars already registered and they're like suck it up and register your first at #5.

Would extra suck if that's a grand or more.

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I know this is tough for the PPA, but they could possibly use discretion and allow you to demonstrate that you just purchased the home/rented the apartment and invalidate the old pass. Probably there's a better solution I haven't thought of.

Easy to manage with no street cleaning.

You're doing The Lord's work!

10 bucks says they also don't park right and leave min half a spot extra for each vehicle

4x as many catalytic converters to be stolen, you can only hope

I'm very pro small government and low tax but even I would be 100% up for a punitive tax on 2nd and especially 3rd+ vehicles. Four vehicles is insane.

There’s a dude who lives near me who has yellow lines painted in front of his house and “garage” that he puts a bunch of obviously stolen cones in and parks his car and motorcycle there and occasionally there’s another car he lets park there too.

I wanna steal the cones so bad but my roommate kicked one over one time and he has like 10 security cameras outside and he came out screaming and called him the f slur so I’m a little scared of him.

But it pisses me off so much lol

gotta save options for the motorcycle

I am one of the longest living neighbors on this street. Been here for 23 years and I was not going to let new neighbors on the block set up a whole valet lane in front of their house 😂 first time he put a cone out I moved his cone and parked there. I haven’t seen a cone yet lol

On trash day wear a hoodie and mask and throw them out in a neighbors trash bin a couple houses down. He won’t notice a thing

Ever seen Strangers on a Train? That's what you need, my friend.

I ride too so I get that, but I'm talkin about the ppl that park perfectly then pull up 3 feet to be a prick

That's awesome! If they ever put another out, grab some 3" screws, washers and a screwgun and make it a permanent install!!

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What's the point of even having a motorcycle if you aren't parking on the sidewalk?

What’s the “f” slur? How you gonna live in Philly and get offended by dumb shit like that lol

Typical conservative. “I’m very pro small government except for the things I don’t like.”

Even though I agree that parking permits should cost hundreds or thousands per car, your small government claim is laughable.

And I guarantee you he opposes development because 'there wouldn't be enough parking'.

The PPA is not out for solutions, it's out for that cash. They're giving out 2-hour limit violations left and right in unmarked zones, dispute portal is broken, you either have to print out the photo evidence and mail it or go in person while you should be at work

Edit: I mean they'll just default to the 5th car for everything and you cant easily dispute it, profit line go up

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Start the increase at the third vehicle. As a suburban born dirtball, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for two adults in one address to each own a daily driver.

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Time to go full Carrie Underwood on three of those vehicles.

Welcome to Philadelphia. Folks on my block have garages and still won’t park in them or at least behind their homes since we have yards on our side and they have garages

311, Councilperson, repeat.

More the dude coming out of his house to scream at us for kicking over a cone he stole lol

Is it different if it’s a little mechanic shop? There’s a small one next to my apt. I’ve lived here for 5 years can probably count on 1 hand how many times I got a spot on my block.

The f slur is a derogatory term that has been used historically to degrade, dehumanize, and belittle LGBTQ people.

I know you might not think it’s a big deal, but with the violence that occurs against the LGBTQ community, learning about them and the history of discriminating against such individuals is important.

Literally I moved out of Philly thanks to parking hell. I went from crazy garage parking rates living in center city to a 2 car garage in bucks. A spot rent in the city is almost an apartment rent it seems.

yo, like where's he at and what does he charge? lol

Peg his car from a distance with a piece of broken spark plug (ceramic part) . Make sure you hit glass. Glass will explode on contact.

I'm over these assholes and no recourse.

If it bothers your neighbors get permit parking

This is typical for Philly.

TIL i hate your neighbor

If it's who I think it is he's kind of fat and slow.

Had this happen to me. Was annoying and clearly a solvable problem on the other end but just said fuck it because ultimately it’s still cheap as hell.

My dad lives in a corner house. The guy down the street is a mechanic & has 3 kids & he & his wife & 2 cars each have a car plus he drives home whatever he’s working on & guess where he parks? My dad asked him once to not park at the corner so he could park there, my dad has a bad back , & the guy told him he would beat the shit out of him. I solved the problem by taking my dogs poop bags , I keep them in a bucket till the bag is filled to throw them out. Well somehow my dogs poop got under every door handle & all his windshield. Took a few days of doing it & he stopped. When he brought a truck home dog poop was over the back . He stopped

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Pro small gov lol, 5.6B budget for the city, our police force literally has more funding than most countries entire military.

Takes all of my will power not to slash the tires of those people everytime I see them. Especially SUVs and Hummers that insist on half a sedan in front and behind them

It may be reasonable to have two cars, but facts is facts: two cars are wider than a row house. If everyone had two and only parked in front of their own house, we'd run out of room. We have the space we have.

No insurance or proper registration right?

Conservative yet also want to defund the police?

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When we moved in there was already a pass on our apartment but they were able to invalidate it. I think it was down to them needing to hear back from the previous pass owner though?

I have literally never seen that as a talking point for the Republican Party.

My house was the same way. I actually forgot that they could get an ok from the previous owners. I think it's a bad system to rely on the previous owner, since they have very low incentive to help. An executed lease or settlement paperwork for the house should be sufficient. Of course, it barely matters right now because the passes are priced below cost, anyhow.

No, just that this is an issue where I doubt there's anyone who would oppose it, such is the unifying unpopularity of jackasses parking 3 or 4 vehicles outside their apartment

'except' implying I'm pro-government when it comes to stuff I *do* like? Nope, I'd disband most of the government with the exception of schools and even then I'd scrap all the federal level stuff.

Good ol dog poop under the handle. I did that to someone who kept parking on the sidewalk in front of my house before. No bag though

Drywall screws fall off contractor trucks all the time. Be a real shame if the spot he claims as his was where they happened to end up.

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You lived in center city. You didn’t need a car

When I lived in Philly our block had permit parking. It's really amazing to me how few people were willing or able yo pay 30 bucks annually to park on our street. It had a lot of apartment buildings so there were plenty of people who loved there but opted instead for free parking around the neigh orhood.

One of the neighbors on our block came around with a petition to change to permit parking because of this issue. Lots of signatures but nothing happened. Lots of cars never move. Some from houses with multiple cars others for elderly residents that can no longer drive.

The bags were used to smear it

What? A permit doesn’t guarantee you a spot

No but sometimes the city will react when there's permit parking and a house has more cars than permits consistently...sometimes I say

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My range of travel is far too wide not to have a car.

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If Big Permit Parking were a thing, this is what it would sound like.

And yet, people get all up and arms when it's suggested that new housing that increases population density should be required to have parking.

Nice. Smearing is always worth the extra effort

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The answer's not fewer people. It's fewer cars. We need homes for more than we need places to store our empty cars.

Do you have a car?

Fewer cars and better transit options, frequency and reliability

sounds like a personal choice that you should pay for then

My neighbor has 4 vehicles, 2 of them giant work vans. And they use them in tandem to block off spots for the others. It causes me untold rage everyday that parking on my street is messed up because of their bullshit. The PPA just shrugs and says “they have parking permits”.

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My neighbor has 4 vehicles with 2 being giant work vans. This is exactly what they do.

You need to incentivize people to get rid of their cars, that’s the whole point. Making parking a bitch while also increasing public transportation options that are safe and reliable and finally Philly could progress into a city where you don’t need a car.

Sure, “or the things I like” works, whichever way you want to word it, it means the same thing. Conservatives are for small gov except things they don’t like such as abortion, gay rights, black people being allowed to vote… Conservative are for small gov excet things they like such as, in your case, parking enforcement but typically police, mass incarceration…

So what I hear is, let's lower people's standard of living so we can lower people's standard of living. Am I wrong?

I’ll bet $100 dollar that he’s says something like “I can’t believe these new buildings don’t come with parking. Traffic is terrible in the city and bike lanes are the problem” daily.

My family of four does own one car. If my wife felt safer biking on 29th St and Girard Ave, I'd sell it and buy a cargo bike. The last time I had a car of my own was in 2014.

Ok if we make it really hard for you to park and you have to decide between spending time every night looking for a space in a really competitive environment or your wife feeling unsafe commuting via bicycle, how would you feel about being pushed into that choice?

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Wat u goin do about it? Not ur business.

Radical concept: There should be only one permit per address. Maybe a second one if you pay real money for it.

Edit: and if you have a garage, you don’t get one.

This one is awfully hard to prove as vehicles of differing lengths come and go all the time

Yeah that happened to me. If PPA were functional it would be easy turn off the old car in the computer

That's the nature of living in a city; there's not always room to store your private property on public space. Whether I like it or not, there's limited space. I own only a small piece of it; It's unreasonable for me to expect that I'll be able to use other pieces of it for free. I have a car, and I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times. Fuck cars; our city would be better without them.

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i once had an a--hole neighbor park their food truckS on my block. two eye sources, HUGE, parked right on the block. she got rid of those and only has 4 cars now (it's just her driving them)

one option is to get a handicap spot there and basically have it as your dad's (assuming he can get a handicap placard)

The idea that you need to get buy-in from everyone on the block for the city to regulate use of public space is one of the top ten most absurd things city government does. It's infuriating.

Yea but that's not what I asked, I asked, How would you feel about it? What you are giving is the justification you are making in your head when what I want is for you to have empathy for stakeholders.

You say this,

>... I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times.

What if they raised the price of a parking permit so you couldn't afford it, but some of your neighbors could and then you have to sell your car and your wife has to commute via bicycle or bus and she feels unsafe, how does that make you feel?

It's like you have people here, paying taxes, they've been here and they've been incentivized to live like they're living with two cars or three cars or whatever. There's a social contract here and what you want is to break that social contract.

I would (and do) feel fine. Again: I'm actively advocating for the parking fees to be so high that a significant number of people decide it's not worth it and get rid of their cars. My wife and I and my kids can take a bus just fine like people do in urban areas all over the world.

I don't know about you (or anyone else who apparently just has to do whatever they're told), but I've been told since grade school that we can't keep driving the way we do because of climate change. Now we're seeing the effects of that in real-time but people keep making excuses for why they just won't try to cut back on driving.

If people were incentived to do this, they can be incentived to do differently. I'm not special; if I can figure out how to do without a car, everyone else can, too.

And one more time for the kids in the back: I hope they do raise the parking price so high I can't afford it. If a candidate comes up for office promising that, I'll vote for them. I support making driving harder and more expensive and transit cheaper, easier and better in literally every single circumstance.

What I'm telling you is that this is changing the city by picking winners and losers and you are saying you don't care about the losers and you don't even care if you're a loser and I don't think that you're being honest, but I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.

I don’t see how small vs large government has anything to do with this. Parking space is public land, core role of government is to solve tragedy of the commons whether you’re a big government or small government guy.

Im generally small government and think that public parking is insanely underpriced and I don’t think there’s any contradiction there.

no one needs more than one car. why are we even giving out permits for multiple cars per person? if you want more cars, find a private place to store them

Won’t somebody think of the children!!!

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I like the way you think.

Omg! This is what I'm dealing with! The guy has 4 cars and leave a half car length between each. When he moves any of them, we park in his spot and leave even more between ours and one of his.

THIS

It’s the primary reason I got one. So I could have something that would get me all over and out of the city that I could park right out from of my house

I've posted in this sub about this and drivers downvoted me and more. If you need vehicles get the fuck out of the city, you're in the wrong environment

Exactly. Republicans are just anti-taxes for things they specifically hate but are extremely pro tax when it suits them. But then hey, they don't have to attack your goals for the money, they can just pretend they give a crap about saving you money.

He has a handicap plate & he applied to get a designated handicapped spot - we’re just waiting to hear if it was approved….. I’m sure that won’t go over well with his moron neighbor… the guy hasn’t threatened my dad lately since he saw my 6’3 275 lb all muscle son hanging around…. It’s really sad that he would even harass an 87 yr old man who literally can’t stand up straight but that’s the reality …. That’s why we all got great joy out of watching him go to his car or truck every morning & seeing where the dog shit was put overnight

Offering something (in this case, parking) for free leads to overconsumption

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What's the difference if he wasn't burning up spots it's not like you would ever be able to get lucky enough to park anything there

But like, you wouldn’t actually do that, so…

the old "half the people commute outside of philadelphia because our abhorrent tax structure encourages companies to leave, so fuck you that's a personal choice for wanting to live in a city because you have to commute out of it". Love this thread

it's been helpful on my block. unfortunately the other street at our intersection isn't permit, so naturally that's where the one family with NINE cars parks their fleet, and then on the other side, our amateur mechanic parks his 4-5 cars on any given week.

insanity, but our street is a little less crowded thanks to permit parking

Anyone living in a dense urban center where space is limited (particularly an issue in old cities like Philly) should have to pay out the ass to park their unused private property on land that could be used for other things. Free parking in the 'burbs is mostly fine, there's lots of space still