Submitted by I_let_my_ramrod_rock t3_z5a7t3 in philadelphia
currentlyhigh t1_ixw1xpf wrote
Reply to comment by creepy-cats in ULPT - Texas Thank-You Gift by I_let_my_ramrod_rock
To be fair it's not like they are "shipping them" against their will, Texas simply offered to pay their bus fare.
creepy-cats t1_ixw2evw wrote
Texas lied to them about the places they were going and the opportunities that were awaiting them. They lured them with promises of food, jobs, and housing, then sent them to be someone else’s problem with absolutely none of those things waiting on the other side. Manipulating someone into agreeing to something isn’t consent.
icedoutskimaskszn t1_ixwz0g7 wrote
Don’t believe everything you hear. Come on.
currentlyhigh t1_ixw5odx wrote
>Texas lied to them about the places they were going and the opportunities that were awaiting them
This claim gets thrown around a lot and I've looked into it but the evidence is very light. Almost 10,000 immigrants and asylum seekers have been bussed to the east coast in the last few months so if there was a widespread government conspiracy to trick them into moving without consent then it would be very well-documented at this point.
Most of the claims simply involve confusion about where the bus would stop and where they would be allowed to disembark. Other people claim that "someone with a badge" in TX told them there would be another bus waiting in DC but details tend to be vague.
alittlemouth t1_ixw7u1g wrote
Do you truly believe these immigrants and asylum seekers have a voice?
currentlyhigh t1_ixw9hcp wrote
Yes. Why do you think they don't? Just because they aren't citizens means they don't have autonomy? They don't need your infantilizing white savior attitude.
alittlemouth t1_ixwci7g wrote
What the fuck, dude.
currentlyhigh t1_ixwdhk9 wrote
I thought the same thing when you implied that immigrants don't have a voice.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixw9cqk wrote
No, they are here illegally and should immediately be turned around at the border.
Democrats (and Republicans) should be clear that there is NO PATH To citizenship, it would alleviate a lot of suffering if people weren’t traipsing across the Western Hemisphere on foot, with in some cases kids in tow, paying human traffickers for misery in hopes of getting into this horrible racist country.
riri1313 t1_ixwc56o wrote
They are literally not here illegally. These are asylum seekers waiting for legal court dates, legally.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwcrur wrote
Only in Democrats minds do they have a legitimate asylum claim.
riri1313 t1_ixwcz9v wrote
No one is claiming that. The whole point of their court hearing is to determine if the claim is legit. Do you not believe in the legal system?
The vast majority of these folks show up to their court dates and abide by the rulings.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwdf25 wrote
None of them show up for their hearings. Are you really this naive?
riri1313 t1_ixwdp4h wrote
Alright since the actual data proves you wrong, I’m going to peace out. I’m from this region in Texas btw and you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwue14 wrote
riri1313 t1_ixwulwg wrote
Your biased media site includes a comment that says “other data refuted this study”. Mind showing the original data or study?
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwx2ue wrote
How about you show your data?
riri1313 t1_ixwx5rk wrote
I did - my comment below includes a link with further links to data. Have a look! 🤡
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwxisj wrote
I did, the PJ article explains why that data is faulty and included congressional testimony.
If you believe any significant amount of illegal border crossers show up in court. I have a bridge to sell you.
riri1313 t1_ixwxr62 wrote
*legal border crossings. And again, I’m from the region in Texas you keep referencing - I have an understanding for the nuances of different border crossings and the rates in which those types complete their court obligations. But sure, keep trying to explain to me “how it works. ✌️
riri1313 t1_ixwurvy wrote
“In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.“
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwxbrl wrote
The PJ article explains why that is not true.
Are there any illegals where you live? I can assure you the ones around here aren’t going to any court.
TunaHands t1_ixwgzkc wrote
You’re really that naive? Lol.
creepy-cats t1_ixw8w62 wrote
Are you truly naive enough to think that if the government was doing something shady to minority groups they would leave a well-documented paper trail? Literally all of American history tells us that won’t happen.
currentlyhigh t1_ixw9tgn wrote
>they would leave a well-documented paper trail?
No but there would be more verified reports of people getting forced across the country against their will. I'm not omniscient so if you can provide examples of that happening I'm happy to look into it further.
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