Submitted by I_let_my_ramrod_rock t3_z5a7t3 in philadelphia
creepy-cats t1_ixvyon8 wrote
Reply to comment by Sheldon_Cooper_1 in ULPT - Texas Thank-You Gift by I_let_my_ramrod_rock
Tell Republicans to stop displacing innocent human beings and shipping them around like they’re commodities to be bought and sold.
Sir-Jawn t1_ixw0i5e wrote
We can do both
currentlyhigh t1_ixw1xpf wrote
To be fair it's not like they are "shipping them" against their will, Texas simply offered to pay their bus fare.
creepy-cats t1_ixw2evw wrote
Texas lied to them about the places they were going and the opportunities that were awaiting them. They lured them with promises of food, jobs, and housing, then sent them to be someone else’s problem with absolutely none of those things waiting on the other side. Manipulating someone into agreeing to something isn’t consent.
icedoutskimaskszn t1_ixwz0g7 wrote
Don’t believe everything you hear. Come on.
currentlyhigh t1_ixw5odx wrote
>Texas lied to them about the places they were going and the opportunities that were awaiting them
This claim gets thrown around a lot and I've looked into it but the evidence is very light. Almost 10,000 immigrants and asylum seekers have been bussed to the east coast in the last few months so if there was a widespread government conspiracy to trick them into moving without consent then it would be very well-documented at this point.
Most of the claims simply involve confusion about where the bus would stop and where they would be allowed to disembark. Other people claim that "someone with a badge" in TX told them there would be another bus waiting in DC but details tend to be vague.
alittlemouth t1_ixw7u1g wrote
Do you truly believe these immigrants and asylum seekers have a voice?
currentlyhigh t1_ixw9hcp wrote
Yes. Why do you think they don't? Just because they aren't citizens means they don't have autonomy? They don't need your infantilizing white savior attitude.
alittlemouth t1_ixwci7g wrote
What the fuck, dude.
currentlyhigh t1_ixwdhk9 wrote
I thought the same thing when you implied that immigrants don't have a voice.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixw9cqk wrote
No, they are here illegally and should immediately be turned around at the border.
Democrats (and Republicans) should be clear that there is NO PATH To citizenship, it would alleviate a lot of suffering if people weren’t traipsing across the Western Hemisphere on foot, with in some cases kids in tow, paying human traffickers for misery in hopes of getting into this horrible racist country.
riri1313 t1_ixwc56o wrote
They are literally not here illegally. These are asylum seekers waiting for legal court dates, legally.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwcrur wrote
Only in Democrats minds do they have a legitimate asylum claim.
riri1313 t1_ixwcz9v wrote
No one is claiming that. The whole point of their court hearing is to determine if the claim is legit. Do you not believe in the legal system?
The vast majority of these folks show up to their court dates and abide by the rulings.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwdf25 wrote
None of them show up for their hearings. Are you really this naive?
riri1313 t1_ixwdp4h wrote
Alright since the actual data proves you wrong, I’m going to peace out. I’m from this region in Texas btw and you don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwue14 wrote
riri1313 t1_ixwulwg wrote
Your biased media site includes a comment that says “other data refuted this study”. Mind showing the original data or study?
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwx2ue wrote
How about you show your data?
riri1313 t1_ixwx5rk wrote
I did - my comment below includes a link with further links to data. Have a look! 🤡
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwxisj wrote
I did, the PJ article explains why that data is faulty and included congressional testimony.
If you believe any significant amount of illegal border crossers show up in court. I have a bridge to sell you.
riri1313 t1_ixwxr62 wrote
*legal border crossings. And again, I’m from the region in Texas you keep referencing - I have an understanding for the nuances of different border crossings and the rates in which those types complete their court obligations. But sure, keep trying to explain to me “how it works. ✌️
riri1313 t1_ixwurvy wrote
“In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.“
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwxbrl wrote
The PJ article explains why that is not true.
Are there any illegals where you live? I can assure you the ones around here aren’t going to any court.
TunaHands t1_ixwgzkc wrote
You’re really that naive? Lol.
creepy-cats t1_ixw8w62 wrote
Are you truly naive enough to think that if the government was doing something shady to minority groups they would leave a well-documented paper trail? Literally all of American history tells us that won’t happen.
currentlyhigh t1_ixw9tgn wrote
>they would leave a well-documented paper trail?
No but there would be more verified reports of people getting forced across the country against their will. I'm not omniscient so if you can provide examples of that happening I'm happy to look into it further.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixw9fpm wrote
They are criminals, not innocent.
creepy-cats t1_ixw9ri9 wrote
A child hospitalized for dehydration is a criminal worthy of being stripped of their human rights? “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” - the plaque on the Statue of Liberty, written by Emma Lazarus
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwao3v wrote
Why’s the child here? Because Schumer and the like are on TV promising citizenship, which encourages people to either bring their children or send their children here with traffickers.
Someone not so innocent set the ball on motion.
Amazing how you “sanctuary city” hypocrites think border towns should handle these people, and a bus ride after they walked through Mexico is somehow a hardship.
riri1313 t1_ixwcbhp wrote
Border towns get millions of dollars in federal aid because the government recognizes the burden of living on a border. I’m sure Texas would gladly share that money with Philly for taking these Legal immigrants in! Right? Right?!
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwcxwt wrote
Nope, you want to virtue signal with “sanctuary city” BS you pay. Leave my tax dollars out if it.
I_let_my_ramrod_rock OP t1_ixwcvhc wrote
Amazing how you “sanctuary city” hypocrites think border towns should handle these people, and a bus ride after they walked through Mexico is somehow a hardship.
I don’t mind Philadelphia receiving people seeking amnesty. But this is purely a political stunt by an ignorant person. Why isn’t he sending people to “red cities” like Little Rock, Oklahoma City, etc.?
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwdcjb wrote
Because this is the fault of the Democratic Party, and they should go to Democrat run cities, so they can deal with what their party creates.
I_let_my_ramrod_rock OP t1_ixwl606 wrote
Sounds like you just like to parrot Fox News instead of doing your research. The U.S. has offer asylum dating back to the beginning of the country. As others have pointed out, they aren’t here illegally and each person will go through due process.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwv09c wrote
Asylum for legitimate reasons, not just for more economic opportunities.
creepy-cats t1_ixwdq9j wrote
It is incredible to me just how comfortable people like you are with utterly dehumanizing living, breathing souls as long as they’re poor, have dark skin, and come from a place that isn’t familiar to you. It’s really, really sad. These are human beings, the same things that make up your organs and cells make up theirs. None of us are that different, yet you are completely comfortable with treating these people like mud under your shoe.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwuk8o wrote
None of what you posted is true. Fact is we have a LEGAL immigration system where people of any color can come to this country without risking their lives walking across Mexico and even Rio Grand.
riri1313 t1_ixwccao wrote
Wrong.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwd05g wrote
They are criminals, crossing the border illegally with made up asylum claims.
currentlyhigh t1_ixwkca4 wrote
Even if they made false claims, by definition if the government let them cross the border then they are in the country legally.
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwuxpq wrote
Yes, you have an appropriate user name.
currentlyhigh t1_ixwxobf wrote
What do you mean by that?
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixx42k9 wrote
You’re obviously currently high.
currentlyhigh t1_ixxaeez wrote
In what way?
creepy-cats t1_ixwiry5 wrote
Do you have any solid proof that their claims are false or are you just desperately hoping they are so you can feel justified in dehumanizing them and treating them like they’re dogshit you just stepped in?
Sheldon_Cooper_1 t1_ixwuvma wrote
If you illegally cross the border, you are a criminal.
Why don’t you try illegally entering another country and see how you’re treated?
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