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ColdJay64 t1_is6azge wrote

Reply to comment by rovinchick in Police arrest second suspect in Roxborough High School shooting by atwork925

I get that, and yeah they should do background checks before selling ammo.

Btw I'm also not completely anti-gun, I grew up with them and may get a handgun in the near future. I just hear stories like this and the article I shared above, leading me to question whether they should be this available to the public.

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Scumandvillany t1_is6ml8t wrote

The thing is, there is no going back. The cow has been milked, the wench has been fucked, the cats out of the bag. There are 600 plus million firearms, and there's 3d printers and open source plans that can do more.

There's trillions of rounds of ammunition floating around.

The Swiss can purchase fully automatic weapons at a whim. Is their murder rate awful? No.

We've got systemic problems, equality issues flow through from that, and we've got an ineffective police department that can't solve shootings at more than 10%. Its pathetic.

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randym99 t1_is6srrr wrote

which wench though, there are so many

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ColdJay64 t1_is6s6ey wrote

You don't think mandatory gun buybacks could be effective? Obviously the optional ones do nothing and probably just waste government money.

Switzerland is just so different from us. My understanding is that military service is mandatory for all men which includes weapons training, and then they have the option to buy their weapon when they are done serving. After a triple shooting like 20 years ago, now a permit is required for people leaving service, and justification for why the weapon is needed. Their rate of gun ownership is also about half of ours, despite still being one of the highest on Earth.

I agree with you on the systemic problems - those are what differentiate us most from any other high income country when making comparisons regarding gun laws and violence. Also the abysmal rate of these shootings being solved like you mentioned. Addressing these issues would for sure have the greatest impact on public safety. Shoot, maybe we should make a few years of military service a requirement.

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Argentum1078682 t1_is7kpd9 wrote

Mandatory gun buybacks aren't politically popular. The main reason for that is that there's a lot of gun owners.

Even if politically popular, the legal changes necessary to do so are very difficult and would be easily derailed by pro gun interests.

If you offered $500 a gun which is probably a fair average value, it would cost $200 billion dollars just to buy 400 million guns. That doesn't include the infrastructure to administer the buybacks and have the weapons destroyed. Let's say another 50 bil.

250 billion is a lot of money for a best case scenario in terms of implementation. But mandatory buybacks are likely to be extremely controversial and will need to use force against the non compliant.

The vast majority of gun owners are honest people that never used their gun improperly. Even so, a very small percentage of radicals among a population of approximately 100 million owners is still millions of people.

If they don't comply, do you send in police to confiscate? Would the police follow through and execute warrants en masse against people holed up at home with their guns? I certainly wouldn't.

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BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8cugn wrote

Buybacks are a JOKE, and a money maker for people with broken, unusable firearms, people with any machining skills, or people with a 3D printer.

Average buy back is $150-250 each gun. A buddy of mine in Arizona 3D-printed 25 pistols, and sold them all for $200 each this year. It cost him less than $200 to print them all, he made a $4,800 profit and bought 3 more rifles with the money, lol. 🤣

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ColdJay64 t1_is8dirh wrote

"Obviously the optional ones do nothing and probably just waste government money."

Maybe your friend is part of why Phoenix is getting so violent: https://ktar.com/story/5215561/recent-gun-violence-is-unlike-anything-phoenix-police-chief-has-seen-in-33-years/

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BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8fmvy wrote

Don't see how, seeing he's never committed a crime in his life aside from speeding, and had never shot someone outside of military duty when he did 3 tours in Afghanistan, but do go on with that assumption.

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ColdJay64 t1_is8k7yh wrote

Lol I was joking, I don't think he's responsible for that.

I also realize that buybacks the way we do them now don't work, when I lived in Baltimore people showed up with crazy things like used rocket launchers... and still got paid. I'm talking about the type of buyback they did in Australia. The only reason it wouldn't work in the US is because people are psycho about having guns, even though the current laws were crafted with 250 year-old guns in mind. Maybe if the national guard was knocking on people's doors...

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BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8l4o1 wrote

Gotcha, sarcasm doesn't always translate well here, and there are people that actually do have that train of thought.

People who own firearms here don't want to lose money, lol.

Like my co-worker just bought a Christensen 6.5 Creedmore rifle for $2300 before taxes. A buyback here wouldn't be a tenth of what he paid.

We HAVE had the NG knocking on doors, and even shooting and killing civilian college kids.

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ColdJay64 t1_is8m03x wrote

That's fair, they are definitely expensive.

My dad was law enforcement so I grew up shooting all types of guns, and I'm not against the reasons that most people want them. I've just read data on where crime guns originate, and they are often traced back to legal dealers which makes me think something should be changed.

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BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8ml7u wrote

I know a few years back, one of our local gun stores was robbed after hours. Stole over 50 firearms. Didn't go through the doors or windows though. They brought a cutting torch and cut a hole in the side of the metal wall, lol.

Criminals just aren't going to kowtow to society and rules, no matter how many laws are created, it's frustrating for sure.

While I'm sure, a few have been illegally sold over the years, I don't think most that are registered to dealers are dirty sales, I think most are stolen.

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