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weareallbuttcheeks t1_iso95r0 wrote

Tribalism is the best! Nothing like blind hatred for others based on the multi-millionaire athletes you were born closest to!

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Positron311 t1_isoby12 wrote

I'm sorry that your childhood was ruined by jock bullies.

Doesn't mean that people can't enjoy sports.

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isockjg wrote

I enjoy sports myself. "Enjoying sports" doesn't have to include hatred for fans of other teams.

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Charizardman22 t1_isohd2g wrote

Doesn’t have to, but it makes it a lot more fun!

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isopxo4 wrote

Hatred is fun to you?

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Charizardman22 t1_isor750 wrote

It’s part of the culture. Both sides know what they’re getting into it’s mutual. You never rib with friends or something?

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isotume wrote

Ribbing with friends is one thing. A crowd of people booing a stranger in public is a little different. I understand your point but not everyone who wears a Dallas jersey is asking to be booed or shit-talked.

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Charizardman22 t1_isozx9i wrote

They kind of are if you’re willingly wearing that in public in philly lol. Like you don’t think people who wear a cowboys jersey in PHILLY know what they’re getting into? BS man

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_ispnl3b wrote

You have to ask yourself why things are that way. Does certain clothing suddenly make it okay to antagonize or attack people? Would you publicly boo someone who likes different music than you, or eats different food, or looks different? Maybe some football fans don't "know what they're getting into." Wearing a jersey shouldn't mean you're "getting into" anything.

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Charizardman22 t1_isq2us8 wrote

Ngl this is a bad argument and it’s all pretty self explanatory. If you know enough about sports to wear a jersey you know what you’re getting into. You just listed a bunch of comparisons that have no relevance, comparing apples to oranges

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isqg6qc wrote

> If you know enough about sports to wear a jersey you know what you’re getting into.

That's kind of the issue. Hatred shouldn't be a part of sports.

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Charizardman22 t1_isqklfg wrote

Man you really have no good argument. Have a good life man and stop taking things so seriously. I wish this was a better discussion

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randym99 t1_isoitvn wrote

booing a rival team, the day you play them on your home turf, doesn't equate to hatred of other fans. this isn't some dangerous, societal problem. people aren't shooting cowboys fans. you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isor8al wrote

Saying "fuck the cowboys" and a crowd of people booing a single Cowboys fan doesn't sound like light-hearted fun to me. Anyway I'm not saying it's a whole societal problem, just saying the hatred is idiotic and unnecessary. Even if it's just friendly trash talk, some people are going to take it too far.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/football-argument-ends-in-killing-at-iconic-philly-cheesesteak-spot-pats-king-of-steaks

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randym99 t1_isotaj5 wrote

>Saying "fuck the cowboys" and a crowd of people booing a single Cowboys fan doesn't sound like light-hearted fun to me.

sounds pretty light-hearted to me and I think most people

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>some people are going to take it too far.

this is true for everything and has no bearing on normal people's enjoyment of sports and trash talk

I generally agree with you that people ought to minimize negative trash talk and just support their own team, but I also think tribalism etc. is human nature, we're animals, and while we should strive to do better, sports trash talk is imo one of the least toxic issues our culture currently presents. you're not wrong that it could/should be better but arguing that it's akin to hatred and leads to murder is exaggerating it and weakens your argument. maybe you've seen a different side to this than me, but I and most people I know don't take booing personally or seriously.

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isovdwg wrote

Just because something is human nature doesn't mean it's good. Sports trash talk might not be a massive societal issue but it's still toxic. It does, in fact, lead to murder sometimes and it's very easy to look that information up.

I agree that most people don't take booing personally or seriously. Some people definitely do, though. Wearing a Dallas jersey shouldn't be an invitation to be antagonized. Some people just want to enjoy the game and support their team.

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Diltron24 t1_ispwzqw wrote

Educate yourself, this was between America’s supporters likely not from Philly anyway. That culture is not even comparable to This conversation

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pvaworldpeace t1_iso9dyu wrote

okay we are real butt cheeks

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isoalwo wrote

Am I wrong?

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Odd-Emergency5839 t1_isoawip wrote

As long as it doesn’t lead to violent I think this is the best outlet for tribalism among people. Much better than it being channeled into nationalism/religious hatred

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isobxw6 wrote

It can definitely lead to hatred which sometimes leads to violence. 131 people just died in Indonesia after storming a soccer field when their team lost.

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Odd-Emergency5839 t1_isocfq0 wrote

That was much more a function of very poor crowd management and policing. The Indonesian government has admitted as much. Either way Philly fans may be crazy but they aren’t gonna kill anyone over a game (Atleast anymore than they’d kill someone over a parking spot)

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isocuax wrote

https://www.fox29.com/news/new-trial-ordered-in-stabbing-death-after-eagles-2018-super-bowl-win

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hytes0000 t1_isoiufo wrote

There couldn't be less useful info in that article or any others I can find. Sounds like a father and son ended up in a fight with 2 guys they didn't know (from New York, not Philly) and one of them ended up dead somehow. The father claims he and his son were arguing about football when the other guys got involved, but the son wasn't the one killed.

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kcvngs76131 OP t1_isomrjt wrote

  1. it wasn't blind hatred, it was a bunch of people taking the piss. Booing someone wearing the other team's jersey is so tame, and it's not like the cowboy fans on the other side of the street were threatened; they laughed and waved at us.

  2. I wasn't even born in the US, so idk what that argument is supposed to mean. (I was also technically born closer to Ibrox than Celtic Park, but that doesn't make me a Rangers fan.)

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weareallbuttcheeks t1_isosygw wrote

It's tame until someone takes things a little too far. It's not common but people do get killed because of this. Give me one good reason why it's necessary for sports fans to antagonize other teams/fans.

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