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allid33 t1_ir0s8r0 wrote

Actually kind of bummed we're only 13th. I'm not Gen Z but with affordability being one of the major factors, I would have thought we'd be higher.

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CroatianSensation79 t1_ir14u76 wrote

I think crime has to be a factor. I love this town but the crime is infuriating and frustrating.

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colourcodedcandy t1_ir1godv wrote

Crime + not as many high paying jobs as nyc/boston/chicago/bay area/austin

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uptimefordays t1_ir1qt4c wrote

Many remote jobs base pay on region or nearest office. It’s very possible to make NYC money living here.

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colourcodedcandy t1_ir1rqve wrote

While I understand and agree with your point, college students graduate and go where their friends go. And sadly the bay area, chicago, and nyc have been made into hubs for students to move to for various reasons and philly just doesn’t have the same appeal. A lot of this is based on perception and I always say philly has a lot of potential but needs a lot of good marketing/propaganda to hype it up (tbh I would live here though I’m not sure I would raise a child here - “gritty” is not appealing)

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uptimefordays t1_ir21cs4 wrote

Plenty of Temple alums stick around. I’d also point out SF isn’t exactly a paradise right now, they just recalled their DA over crime. SF and NYC are also vastly more expensive than Philly, if you can afford either—you could live anywhere in Philly and send your kids to Friends Select, Haverford, etc.

I think it comes down for what parents want/expect for their children. If having that suburban experience of total safety and impunity is important, raising children in a city or rural area probably won’t cut it.

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armhad t1_ir5cp2o wrote

Exactly who is consistently basing pay off of region? I’ve never seen NYC lumped in the same end of the pay band as Philly for remote positions, and I fully understand why. Philly at best is considered MCOL, and unless the company simply has no pay band (which likely makes them less competitive in pay), then there’s definitely usually an earning difference between cost of living/business and not an entire region. Add to that the difference in “potential income”, losses you’ll face by staying in Philly, and then it makes sense as to why we leave for other cities out of school.

Idk if “nyc money” is a general statement meant to mean high paying for standard Philly income, but although I have a high paying remote job, it’s still less than what I’d make in sf or nyc, and that’s the case at most of the places I know hiring early careers. Over time if I choose to stay in Philly, it’d become a drastically bigger gap, so I have more reason to leave at a higher position.

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uptimefordays t1_ir5df6j wrote

Tech and tech adjacent companies in my experience. HashiCorp, for instance, would pay a Philly based worker on NYC salary bands because NYC is the nearest office and that’s how they calculate locality pay.

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armhad t1_ir5j69n wrote

Tech is my experience too and I feel like I’ve not seen many places offer that structure outside of a few random startups or the few (but growing) number of places that have committed to no pay bands

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uptimefordays t1_ir5ob59 wrote

Huh during my most recent job search (last winter) Amazon, CoinBase, HashiCorp, Puppet, and a handful of much less recognizable financial service firms were all up front about pay/benefits/etc. for remote work and while some of the pay bands, Amazon for instance, were roughly doubled by RSUs for devops roles everyone was offering ~$170k base which seems rather high for basing pay on Philly CoL.

Maybe it’s less common than I thought but I’m making the same amount as my NYC based colleagues.

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AbsentEmpire t1_ir1sbw7 wrote

That's the thing, Philly is "cheap" for a major costal city, but it's overall not that cheap compared to the Midwest and South.

The high tax burden, lack of skilled jobs, and increasing cost of rent due to blocking housing construction do add up. I think our rank is totally justified in this list.

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Vague_Disclosure t1_ir0jmku wrote

I’ve been watching too many Ukraine war videos because my first thought was why is this building supporting Russia

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KenzoWap t1_ir0u8nv wrote

Did you see the z guys blowing each other when a drone drops a bomb on them?

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Vague_Disclosure t1_ir0vzb8 wrote

I did, definitely wasn’t expecting that. Still think the wildest video was from Mariupol when the Russian tank got ammo racked and you could see the commanders body fly at least 30 feet in the air. The videos coming out of this conflict are something else. Honestly makes me even more anti-war than I already was.

Also interesting to watch the progression of how the UA fight, the videos from the beginning of the conflict are very different from the ones now. After receiving months of western training and NATO equipment. For an even more drastic difference you can check out videos from when the conflict started in 2014. In some videos the only reason you immediately know they aren’t American is because they aren’t in a desert.

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baldude69 t1_ir1nd4j wrote

Their camo pattern is quite different as well, but that will be less obvious to the casual observer

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baldude69 t1_ir1mvty wrote

That’s a crazy one. Sadly I’ve also been reading about how rape is an integral part of Russias military machine, so part of me is sad that it was maybe a conscript being raped by his superior officer

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porkchameleon t1_ir0ppvo wrote

I haven't, but yeah, not the time you want to slap a massive "Z" on anything, given the current state of affairs.

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A_Peke_Named_Goat t1_ir1mqa5 wrote

El Paso, Omaha, and Tuscon, eh?

I guess I'm just a geriatric millennial but this, like all press release rankings, doesn't pass the sniff test.

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AbsentEmpire t1_ir1rwdo wrote

They're super cheap places to live in, makes total sense to me.

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mountjo t1_ir2396d wrote

I'm a big Philly advocate, but small(er) cities rule! I end up in a lot for work and the blend of open space and "stuff to do" mixed with cost is tough to ignore. A lot of these cities have way more accessible outdoor space and a lower cost of living than Philly.

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A_Peke_Named_Goat t1_ir5k3uq wrote

I very recently used to live in Columbus, OH (#6 on that list). Its a pleasant place to live, but its not all that cheap (especially in the neighborhoods where young people want to live), its definitely shitty for walking/biking/transit, and we got used to saying that restaurants were "Columbus good" because with some exceptions they never would have survived in Philly.

On one hand, I had a detached single family house with a nice front porch, bigger backyard than you can get in Philly, and a garage (the height of luxury), and could walk to some stuff. On the other hand, I was in one of the densest neighborhoods in the city less than 2mi away from the Ohio statehouse and it was a neighborhood of detached single family houses: what a colossal waste of space. And between buying the house (2015) and moving back to Philly in 2021 I could no longer have afforded to the buy on that block.

And at least as far as outdoor space that I care about is concerned, Philly has much better mountain biking than Columbus, El Paso, and Omaha. Tuscon I am assuming is pretty good. Fairmont, the Wiss, and FDR are damn good parks that are accessible by transit/biking for all sorts of activities, plus the birding is good around here (especially during migration season).

Are small cities good places for young people? Sure. Are those particular cities better than Philly? I heartily disagree and stand by my original statement that the list stinks.

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bushwhack227 t1_iray6x4 wrote

None of these listicles do. They're thrown together by a freelancer, marketing team, or PR firm. There's no merit to them at all. If there were, you would see some consistency across the lists.

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Ng3me t1_ir535jr wrote

Read it as “best city for Jay Z”.

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-mud t1_ir0gexo wrote

Gen Zers like being carjacked, huh?

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_crapitalism t1_ir0l2rt wrote

I'll be honest, I don't think most of us have enough money for a car lol

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mountjo t1_ir0r081 wrote

gonna start carjacking boomers and just driving their SUVs into the schuykill so they can stop clogging up the streets

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-mud t1_ir1q1e4 wrote

Fair point.

Is ebike jacking a thing?

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AgentDaxis t1_ir0ma7f wrote

No but redditors like you sure love to promote the fear & perception of it.

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ColdJay64 OP t1_ir0pn8e wrote

Can you keep your fear-mongering on the numerous daily crime posts please? Get a life and stop shoehorning crime into every single discussion. There's plenty of good about living here, and not everyone experiences crime.

Thanks!

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jbphilly t1_ir0yzjh wrote

>Get a life and stop shoehorning crime into every single discussion.

This will happen very abruptly on Nov. 9, just like it does after election day every year.

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Basique_b t1_ir0j5f0 wrote

Oh everyone gets carjacked huh

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ratmoustache t1_ir10s9m wrote

No, but it’s a serious problem long before it happens to everyone.

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porkchameleon t1_ir0ix4t wrote

What in fuck is this article?

Also - does "Z" in "gen Z" stand for "generation zero"?

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_crapitalism t1_ir0l5uc wrote

nah, it's just that after gen x, there were millennials, aka gen y, and then gen z

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