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FMG1978 t1_jdmduzd wrote

Laser-focused on the issues that matter

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Indiana_Jawns t1_jdmgojh wrote

Replying to FMG1978 (#2,352,687)

When there are laws being passed specifically aimed at discriminating against the LGBT community, yeah, this is an issue that matters. It could also be good for the city by reinforcing that we’re a community that accepts all people. Moves like this can entice people fleeing discrimination to move here

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napsdufroid t1_jdmi7dx wrote

Replying to Indiana_Jawns (#2,352,996)

To be fair, anti-LGBT discrimination, just as anti-discrimination based on race or religion, is something anyone with more than a single brain cell would stand behind. But considering the other problems the city has, this has the appearance -- and note I said appearance -- of going for low-hanging fruit rather than addressing, say, violence, crime, or drugs.

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nalgene_wilder t1_jdmj4jg wrote

Replying to napsdufroid (#2,353,185)

This only has that appearance to people who cannot comprehend the idea of caring about multiple things at the same time. Like this was a photo-op specifically centered around the LGBT community, of course they're going to speak on relevant issues

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Indiana_Jawns t1_jdmkp0o wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#2,353,156)

The ones that ban teachers from acknowledging same sex relationships exist. The ones that threaten people with felony charges for wearing clothing associated with the other gender. The ones that put children in danger if they dare to express themselves as who they are.

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Unfamiliar_Word t1_jdml3x5 wrote

I like this. Republicans have made drag into some kind of insidious, malevolent evil as part of their never-ending campaign to whip the the dumbest people you knew in high school into a rabid froth, but it's mostly fun, expressive and campy. I'm not interested in it myself, but I like that it can have a place in society generally and Philadelphia in particular. That alternatives tend to become pretty appalling.

Talking about street sweeping, hiring police getting sh*t done and how Jeff Brown lied about Michelle Obama endorsing him have^(*) has gone on and will still go on, but there's nothing really lost and a little gained in having a brief respite to show support people who have been cruelly, cynically and unfairly targeted for villainization by actual evil villains.

^(*None of this is meant to reflect an opinion or judgement of any candidates; it mostly reflects what I heard over the radio at the Fine Wine & Good Spirits on Locust Street a few days ago.)

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nalgene_wilder t1_jdmuklx wrote

Replying to BigShawn424 (#2,354,592)

...how does that make sense as a response to what I said? Are you really just that oblivious to the obvious context of my statement?

Hint: "relevant issues" means relevant to the event they were there for

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NoWarButMyWar t1_jdmx304 wrote

Replying to throwawaitnine (#2,353,640)

Jesus Christ START following it because some of the most atrocious anti lgbtq laws have been getting passed in nearly half of all US states this past year. Try giving a shit about your fellow human beings. If you have twitter follow Erin Reed she’s covering nearly every single one of them.

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porkchameleon t1_jdmxqzp wrote

This is for show and to win some political points, because this “hot button issue” is all over the news.

You have K&A and record levels of gun violence in certain neighborhoods, so go do a photo op there instead of a pathetic attempt at virtue signaling.

The word around the campfire is that people who actually vote don’t care about any of this, they are more concerned about surging prices for groceries and gas (and them and their kids not getting caught in a crossfire, but that’s city living, amirite?), but you keep pandering to whomever you are pandering to.

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NoWarButMyWar t1_jdn078x wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,120)

GRS is already illegal for children and blockers prevent trans kids from going through a puberty they don’t want and developing secondary sex characteristics making it harder to pass as an adult. Newsflash dipshit, if the state is intervening on peoples bodily autonomy and private medical decisions between doctor and patient it’s creeping into totalitarianism.

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throwawaitnine t1_jdn188n wrote

Replying to armchairmegalomaniac (#2,354,910)

This is reaching astounding levels of absurdity. It's like I'm supposed to be outraged about something I have no ideas about and I'm treated as if it's my duty as a human being to be informed about political shit that has nothing to do with me. And I have to do all my own research, because asking for an explanation is apparently verboten.

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Unfamiliar_Word t1_jdn1in9 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,354,989)

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are They/Them Antifa Supersoldier militias forcing kindergarten classes into drag queen story hours at gunpoint?

The word, "force,' or, "forced," or phrases like, "shove down or throats," usually amount to the most disingenuous bullshit wherever they are used. Drag is just the latest convenient fuel for the fires of fear, disgust and anger that burn in the heart of their movement that they have to keep shoveling in for it to keep moving.

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Indiana_Jawns t1_jdn1zcm wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,120)

Tennessee’s anti drag bill classified drag personages as lewd acts the same as stripping.

Florida’s don’t say gay bill is worded that a teacher can be punished for admitting acknowledging that same sex relationships exist.

Bathroom bills are hateful and do nothing other than to punish trans people.

Your statements about trans kids are misinformed.

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BigShawn424 t1_jdn2ape wrote

Replying to Unfamiliar_Word (#2,355,445)

Don’t get belligerent with me, I would like to talk about this civilly. Drag queens perform at night clubs and at other places that are not for kids. So what is the benefit of having a drag queen read to kids or having your kids attend some of their shows.

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BigShawn424 t1_jdn3rpj wrote

Replying to Indiana_Jawns (#2,355,496)

Bathroom bills protect women who do not want a biological male in their bathroom. I do not understand how you think a highly impressionable child could consent to such life altering procedures and medicines.

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vivaportugalhabs t1_jdn4a4p wrote

Replying to saintofhate (#2,355,044)

Governor Shapiro won by a landslide because Pennsylvania voters rejected insane right-wing culture war rhetoric. Oh and the PA House flipped blue, so this has no chance of passing anytime soon in Pennsylvania. It's purely virtue signaling.

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oliver_babish t1_jdn53kl wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,717)

So if a public school (a governmental body) invites a drag performance, that's bad, but if parents bring their kids, that's also bad, so if neither government nor parents can make that decision, who can?

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madeupmoniker t1_jdndk8a wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,356,500)

As I understand it, they'll go through it at the rate their body produces the hormones which were blocked. It's entirely humane and a great tool in social transitioning to allow kids to explore identity if it is the route they want to go and are supported by doctors and family

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pravl t1_jdnfhnq wrote

Replying to Indiana_Jawns (#2,352,996)

I'm from the south, and my family is still there. Sadly, my home state is becoming less safe for people like me, and it seems less and less likely I will ever move back to be close to family. When you feel like you are losing your home, it means a great deal to feel welcome in a new one.

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mynameisntjeffrey t1_jdnrje6 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,356,533)

You’re equating drag queens to porn stars and then getting annoyed when people call you out on it? Just don’t make wildly exaggerated comments if you don’t want people to tell you how ridiculous your wildly exaggerated comments are.

If the basis of your argument relies on you wildly exaggerating what you’re arguing about to make your point then your point is wrong.

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mynameisntjeffrey t1_jdntxj5 wrote

Replying to BigShawn424 (#2,358,293)

You do realize that equating drag to porn is incredibly insulting right? It’s not just you getting offended.

But that’s besides the point. I’m honestly curious how you compare drag to porn. Cheerleaders dress insanely provocatively in their performances. Are they pornstars too? Should we ban children from sporting events? I don’t think we should, but I also don’t think the government should ban drag either. What’s your take?

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themightychris t1_jdnxw3i wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,829)

^ This is someone who has no idea what a drag show is outside what they've heard gossiped on conservative media

I've never seen anything more sexual at a drag show than I've seen at school talent shows and football games when I was in middle school.

What you see at a drag show is people doing silly music videos dressed as showy women. It's not just harmless but healthy for a kid to see.

Odds are there will be kids in any middle school class that start realizing they don't feel like everyone else does w/r/t their gender. Is it so bad that those kids and their peers know they can still be normal happy people and there's places for them in this world?

Kids don't learn to be attracted to the opposite sex from theater and media, they get flooded with hormones in puberty and it changes them unexpectedly. What they've seen in media and culture up to that point just determines whether they feel like they're still normal or like they're deviant/broken after that.

Kids see men dressed masculine, they see women dressed feminine, they see women dancing provocatively, they see love stories where men and women kiss and get married and start families. You don't hear any of that ever likened to pornography—it's only when those representations might help a queer kid feel like they fit into society too that it becomes inappropriate

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electric_ranger t1_jdo0g35 wrote

Replying to BigShawn424 (#2,357,949)

You’re gonna have to take the L on this one, BigShawn. People get understandably riled up when there’s a concentrated campaign to eliminate their way of life.

It’s okay if drag isn’t for you, it’s not my cup of tea either. But the way you handle that is… not going to drag shows. Not banning them.

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ell0bo t1_jdo0lpz wrote

Replying to diatriose (#2,356,620)

That's republican 'small' government for ya. The only good government is the one that they agree with, if they don't then it's personal rights, unless they disagree with that too.

Basically, they were all the kid that took their ball and went home when they were losing. I'd call it hypocrisy if they ever actually stood one way or the other, lol.

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ell0bo t1_jdo117g wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,829)

First, yes. Someone's job doesn't make them a bad person.

Secondly, porn stars and drag queens aren't equivalent at all. Do you know what you're arguing against? Have you ever been to a drag show?

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sugr_magnolia t1_jdo33tq wrote

Replying to BigShawn424 (#2,358,293)

If you felt insulted by any comments, you should have reported them.

You are correct in saying that someone should be able to respond without adding insults into the mix. I haven't seen anything that crosses that line* but - again - feel free to report.

*Edit: that hasn't already been removed.

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LoudGroans t1_jdpq0ts wrote

Replying to themightychris (#2,358,918)

Excuse me, but are you kidding me? Dude, I LOVE drag shows specifically because of how raunchy and ridiculous they are. I, a straight dude, once walked into an impromptu drag show and within five minutes I was brought on stage to deep throat a fucking pretzel and twerk with a bunch of women. I volunteered for it. I did that shit with an open mind and an open throat and a genuine love of pretzels.

It was a hilariously good time and I had a blast.

If the drag shows you're going to AREN'T rowdy and ridiculous and inherently charged with latent sexual energy, you're going to the wrong drag shows, bud.

But that's my thing about this. It's so fucking weird to me that we're at a point where we're using children as the battleground. Why? Why sexualize ANYTHING for children, or politicize anything to their detriment? This is so wildly immature.

Drag shows are fun and beautiful and ridiculous, and they definitely should not be attended by children. The same way nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed in a hooters.

And far as outfits go, as a rational, normal adult, think about what drag outfits look like. If it was a cis white woman walking into a PTA meeting or coming onto a school bus as a school trip aid dressed in what your brain immediately thinks of as a typical drag outfit, you'd legit be like, "What the fuck, Jen? Go home with that shit..."

Not because Jen's not allowed to dress that way, but because these are fucking kids and you should have some common sense, you kook.

The conversation should be that simple, but we're so passed that. We're all sticking to our rigid beliefs and escalating these situations into something that makes literally no sense because we're so committed to being right about everything.

People on the left advocating for drag shows in elementary school are insane. People on the right advocating to ban LGBT events and drag shows statewide (like in TN), are insane. These are all actions, reactions, and escalations.

This consistent "fuck around and find out" loop we're all antagonistically living in has got to stop, because shit like this will KEEP HAPPENING in republican controlled states.

They'll keep saying shit like, "Oh, so you want drag performers reading to OUR CHILDREN? Okay, well, now we're going to do everything we can to make sure drag performers can't even perform in adult venues in OUR STATE."

Like, what did everyone expect was going to happen? That a bunch of weirdo republicans would take that sitting down?

It's like poking a bear with a stick and then complaining when the bear rips your guts out. Be smarter, more tactful, and more strategic. Especially in places where you're behind enemy lines LIKE THE FUCKING BIBLE BELT.

I am beyond frustrated here.

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huggy19 t1_jdqms34 wrote

Replying to NardDog6969420 (#2,361,170)

Exactly 💯

It is about the drag shows for kids, kids giving lil dollar bills to drag queens who are dancing with their butts and boobs out.

Don’t take my word, look up some permutation of “kids at drag shows”, these kinds of videos are everywhere if you’re out of a certain echo chamber.

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EmmaSchiller t1_jdr4u86 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,355,130)

As always, the only people complaining about us LGBTQ folks calling ourselves 'victims" or whatever, are you lot: the EXACT same people who are why they had to talk about this drag shit in the first place. Because it is YOU lot who are using drag to enact anti-LGBTQ laws all over the country. Talking about anti-LGBTQ stuff happening and existing isn't being a "victim" in the way you claim....it's just talking about our reality. Like this is happening regardless of if you accept and believe that or not.

And to be clear, drag is the clothing worn. The extremely over the top, exaggerated, flamboyant COSTUMES worn by performers. What they do IN drag is a performance. And what they are doing with the story times? They fucking reading books to children! Like....how is that so crazy or outrageous?

Drag isn't some inherently sexual thing, it's a costume like you see at the carnival or at a play. Do you think all children should be banned from the pool and beach, where tons and tons of men only wear shorts? And where women wear very revealing bathing suits?

Why do we NEED drag storytime? Because in the words of Zoeey Zephyr: "Drag is art. Drag is beautiful. Drag is important to my community. There were comments about people who went 30 years ago to drag shows. There's questions as to why are children coming to them now. I'll tell you what happened. We lived. Now we are taking some of our children, showing them our history, celebrating our art and history and the fact that we are alive today." (Source: https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1628914352161013766?t=ez9bht1y-1ejk3ml8CL3tQ&s=19, it's a great speech about the drag bills overall, you should watch it).

Kids being read to by someone in drag is just....so inoffensive. But as always, conservatives don't want kids to be around people who are different because they want kids to learn that everyone needs to be the exact same way and if you're not the same you're evil and bad and hurt children or whatever. LGBTQ parents who know drag is not bad at all, take their kids to children drag stuff like the storytimes, because it is part of our culture. It is just a part of who we are, just like a part of white redneck culture is tail gating and getting hammered while watching football or whatever.

Drag is just fun, kids love costumes. I mean seriously what kid doesn't love a costume? Except me, who was deathly afraid of large costumes like chuck e cheese but y'know....I know from experience that I am the exception and not the rule lol

It's the exact same reason why college is extremely often said to be "liberal brainwashing" by conservatives. Because at college is often the first time that conservative young adults are around people that don't look like them or believe what they believe. So they learn and grow because of that.

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EmmaSchiller t1_jdr7by5 wrote

Replying to porkchameleon (#2,355,956)

Really glad you decided to spill mindless anti-LGBTQ drivel then fall back on "word around the campfire" being a pulp fiction reference and not just a general statement like everyone knows it was being used as. Seriously, nothing about how you used it references pulp fiction besides them both using it as a general turn of phrase.

In any event, it DOES matter to me and most of the other LGBTQ folks in Philly, considering the rhetoric around the country and even in our own state government is uh....very concerning to say the least. They should do more about other problems, but saying and pretending like this doesn't matter is kinda fucked up

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Tall-Ad5755 t1_jdu4etq wrote

Replying to Unfamiliar_Word (#2,353,546)

I don’t understand and probally will never understand my fellow lgbts obsession with mainstreaming the culture🤷🏽‍♂️. I get the sharing of accounts, hospital visits and all that but….he best parts of being gay is the countercultural ness of it all. Why sanitize the art of drag to make it palatable for kids….like why even go there….why can’t it just be what it is, why can’t it be for us, adult and raunchy and funny. Ultimately, it parents want to take their kid to a show that’s on them….they should have a choice in that matter tho.

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Tall-Ad5755 t1_jdu51wy wrote

U gotta admit the Rs are smart. They have the left defending drag shows for kids when there’s no way in the world that’s a winning proposition for mainstream. They could get Trump elected just with this issue alone. Yea the Ds will feel morally correct and inclusive and self righteous; the .0001 percent that cares about Drag will like them, they’ll feel like they did something right because someone convinced them that drag is important to most gay people and it’s central to gay life when it’s not at all (I’m gay btw), but they’ll be wondering why 7-9 of the seats on the SC are conservative..because they fell for another trap and spent all their capital on another issue that’s hopelessly unpopular with the mainstream. 😂.

All while trying to spin it as an attack on drag when it’s clearly an attack on children participating in adult content and most people can see right through that. While dissing and talking down people that disagree with them.

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Glazed_donut29 t1_jduag58 wrote

So I just witnessed my Uber driver be carjacked at gunpoint as I scrambled to get to safety in my overpriced slum apartment but stop the press! The men in womanface need a photoshoot!

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_jdw3gwi wrote

Replying to NardDog6969420 (#2,361,170)

Except that's never been a thing. If conservatives were actually about protecting children, they would stop going to church and we'd have strict gun control.

It's about inventing a boogyman. Your average conservative doesn't need much of a push to become a deranged homophobe, you literally just need to say "but the kids!" and they'll show you how they really feel. Just look at all of the nutjobs screaming in gay people's faces calling them pedophiles, just because they're gay. Like most topics, conservatives are more dangerous to the thing they're trying to "protect" than any fake news boogyman they've been told to hate.

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_jdw4k2p wrote

Replying to Tall-Ad5755 (#2,385,374)

You're going way too deep, the real conservative strategy has been obvious for decades: attack education. If your voter base is stupid, it'll be easier to manipulate them. Conservatives now think the Statue of David is pornography, there's nothing they won't consider a danger to children (besides guns).

Kids at drag shows have never been a thing, outside of anecdotal cases. Anyone concerned about hypothetical kids at drag shows should be way more concerned with kids at church or with their elected officials.

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NardDog6969420 t1_jdw6ep2 wrote

What is the benefit of bringing children to drag shows where they are simulating sex acts?

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huggy19 t1_je07koe wrote

Replying to BigDickolasNicholas (#2,395,240)

It definitely is the case there’s a million videos on line of kids at drag shows even giving money to drag queens who are stripping

edit: I know y’all don’t like to hear it but just look into it for yourself please 👀

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BigDickolasNicholas t1_je6rncs wrote

Replying to huggy19 (#2,416,716)

Bullshit. This is like when right wingers talk about how they would see CP all over Twitter before Elon took over but suddenly don't see it any more. It's fake news.

Side note, if you are truly concerned for the safety of children, you would be in support of banning them from religious institutions right? Given how widespread child abuse is there.

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huggy19 t1_je6tgcu wrote

Replying to BigDickolasNicholas (#2,460,073)

Bro all I’m saying is google it if you’re too afraid that’s a whole other thing, it’s happening every day

For example I just looked up “drag show kids” Just last night there was one at tulips Dallas Fort Worth and one of the performers penis popped out 🤦‍♂️ they’re everyday bro

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huggy19 t1_je75n3o wrote

Replying to BigDickolasNicholas (#2,462,882)

Ok so you’re not a serious thinker it seems, you’ve gone ad hominem, thrown red herrings and straw-manned in you comments.

There are resources for you or anyone else to determine with your own mind why there are people who are so upset.

endless cases. Any day of the week just google or look up on Twitter drag show kids and see what videos come up. You’ll see with your own eyes not through parroting what you’ve heard elsewhere .

Most like you’ll hit me w another logical fallacy but hopefully you at least comment on the tulips Dallas video since it’s circulating this 24 hours.

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huggy19 t1_je7ka8v wrote

Replying to BigDickolasNicholas (#2,465,932)

They’re logical fallacies smdh. Learned them in philly public school system .

Logic defined as the conservation of truth through successive statements or something like that, these fallacies just are names for common patterns when logic breaks down.

It would be gaslighting if you watched the video and still said I was lying imo, but I never heard gaslighting in a logic class

Your inability to address the issue and respond to what I’m actually saying, to even consider an alternative view is extraordinary. Even if you think I’m wrong shouldn’t you want to prove it? If it’s a lie, you wouldn’t be able to find the things that I’m saying exist; they exist or they don’t 🤷‍♂️

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