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Zhuul t1_jef4j05 wrote

Reply to comment by Edison_Ruggles in Person shot on SEPTA's Market-Frankford Line in West Philadelphia by WestPhillyFilly

Probably either retaliation or an argument that got out of control. A while back Outlaw’s office released data that stated something like half the shootings in the city fall into those categories.

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mbash013 t1_jefhn3b wrote

What ever happened to just punching someone in the nose to settle shit. People just throw bullets around without any real thought to the consequences. Fucking sickening that it’s so easy to become an innocent bystander in Philly.

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ColdJay64 t1_jefq0l9 wrote

Public transit anywhere really. There was a shooting in the Potomac Ave Metro station in DC yesterday, a man slashed on the A train in Brooklyn yesterday, a PBS reporter randomly punched in the face on the subway in NYC Monday, etc. etc. etc.

Our system needs to be fixed, but people always speak as though this stuff only happens here when that's not at all the case.

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outerspace29 t1_jeft1mq wrote

You're aware this is r/philadelphia, where people talk about things that are related to and happen in Philadelphia, right? This "as though this stuff only happens here" seems like a projection and willful misunderstanding on your part.

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ColdJay64 t1_jefubrs wrote

I am aware of that, thanks. I pretty clearly articulated that I was commenting on people discussing things as though they are only problems here (“its so easy to become an innocent bystander in Philly”), as though it’s not the same elsewhere - hence me mentioning what’s happening in other places. I also said that OUR transit system needs to be fixed.

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outerspace29 t1_jefy8o4 wrote

This is hardly evidence that "people always speak as though this stuff only happens here." Again, it's a Philly sub. How should these types of comments be phrased to avoid offending your sensibilities, since it seems clear you're intolerant of any criticism of the city?

"A crime occurred in Philadelphia. In order to discuss it, I'm obligated to point out that crime occurred in Los Angeles, NYC, Detroit, Phoenix, and Boise as well. I'm confirming with my sources, but crime may also have occurred in Tripoli, Hong Kong, and Glasgow."

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ColdJay64 t1_jefzm33 wrote

You sound offended, I think my initial comment had a perfectly reasonable tone. And constructive criticism is a good thing, blanket statements about how horrible things are here (typically exaggerating) are not. I’m actually pretty vocal about wishing city leadership acknowledged these incidents and told us what they are doing to address them. People don’t like him but at least Eric Adams does that.

Have a nice Friday!

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WhyNotKenGaburo t1_jegkoef wrote

I can't speak for DC, but this stuff doesn't happen nearly as frequently in NYC. It's a city of nearly 9 million people, so obviously things are going to happen on occasion, but it isn't a daily or even monthly occurrence.

I never felt unsafe riding the subway in the 2+ decades I lived in NYC. And I rode it through the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queens regularly at all hours of the day and night. Sure there were times when my radar went up a bit, but that was infrequently. I do feel unsafe here though, and won't take the subway after rush hour in the evening. I worry about my wife taking it alone in the middle of the day, which I never did in NYC.

As the saying goes: The first step to solving a problem is recognizing that there is one. Obviously Philly has problems that need to be addressed. Shrugging our collective shoulders and saying "mehp, it happens other places too" just diminishes the severity of the problems that Philly faces.

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ColdJay64 t1_jeh24qf wrote

Over the past few years, incidents on the subway in NYC are more than weekly. That said, I fully get your points of A. there are more people there and using the system and B. saying something happens other places isn't productive. That is in response to broad statements people make like "Fucking sickening that it’s so easy to become an innocent bystander in Philly" as though bad stuff doesn't happen everywhere, or that it's all that likely to happen here. People love to unproductively whine about Philly like it's the worst place on earth.

I am not suggesting that change doesn't need to take place here, of course it does. While I know politicians alone don't fix everything, I voted for the opposition of the current DA, I am voting for Domb for mayor who has best public safety plan IMO, etc. etc.

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PointB1ank t1_jeg26e5 wrote

I was arguing with someone online this week that was saying we would be safer if 100% of society carried guns. I tried to explain how a lot of the altercations that happen daily- arguments, fights, road rage- would be escalated into gun violence if that happened. They weren't really understanding the concept, or even trying to tbh.

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CT_Real t1_jeg03qa wrote

Wait...your telling me "an armed society is a polite society" isn't true?

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OnionLegend t1_jegk4yl wrote

Punching someone who might have a gun is risky. They’d rather shoot them first.

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Edison_Ruggles t1_jef4mw9 wrote

Surprised it's only half

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FrankGrimesApartment t1_jeff017 wrote

A lot of fragile egos in this town.

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pseudohipster98 t1_jefjox5 wrote

I was nearly involved in a shooting last month because a guy decided to pull a gun on somebody yelling at him in the laundromat. When everyone has a gun a single argument can mean bullets are flying.

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ahrn_pa t1_jegx0yf wrote

If that's true, (and it's not) how come people aren't dropping by the hundreds or thousands every day in places like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Hampshire, West Virginia, Louisianna, all of PA except for Philly? These are places with more guns than people (by far), but somehow the people aren't killing each other en masse. It's much more complicated than guns. It's easy to point at guns and create a scapegoat. That is easier than dealing with social issues, and inequality. Broken homes and school systems are hard to fix, and expensive to fund. So what's a politician to do? We can always blame guns and then try to ban them so it looks like we are doing something. Got a problem? We got a boogeyman for everything. Kids don't listen? It must be that devil music or violent video games. The economy not working for you any longer, well we better start building a wall to keep migrants out. Let's just keep blaming things on others and not address the root cause of anything, that's sure to be a formula for success!

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pseudohipster98 t1_jeh24jv wrote

I said “can mean,” not “does mean” - societal issues are 100% the root cause, but given we can’t change broken systems overnight maybe we should focus on at least licensing and regulating instruments that can kill in an instant until we do?

I’m from Texas, my dad taught me to shoot and how to safely handle and use a gun. There’s a spectrum between “well-regulated militia“ and absolute chaos and we’re currently way too far towards the latter at the moment.

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TheBSQ t1_jeg4tcu wrote

Some people were never parented out of their toddler phase and will throw tantrums over tiny shit.

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