NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn t1_jdcjhjn wrote on March 23, 2023 at 12:52 PM

Reply to comment by rndljfry in SEPTA hopes new vertical gates will deter turnstile jumpers by APettyJ

That sounds very, very low.

rndljfry t1_jdcvq6t wrote on March 23, 2023 at 2:23 PM

Sure, and "reported" is obviously a huge consraint on that number.

At $2.50 per evasion and $925,000 for two stations' worth of gates, it seems like it's going to take a long time to recoup this investment.

AbsentEmpire t1_jdd72g4 wrote on March 23, 2023 at 3:38 PM

The investment is more about keeping the problems that fair jumpers bring into system out of the system. The homeless drug addicts smoking crack on the subway drive away multiple more users than just their one fair.

rndljfry t1_jdd7tly wrote on March 23, 2023 at 3:42 PM

>The homeless drug addicts smoking crack on the subway drive away multiple more users than just their one fair.

The thing about someone who can pull together enough money for a score is that they can pull together enough money for a fare if it gets them on the train for unlimited time.

AbsentEmpire t1_jdds7xf wrote on March 23, 2023 at 5:51 PM

Yep, which is also why SEPTA needs to start kicking them off the system.

randym99 t1_jdd7los wrote on March 23, 2023 at 3:41 PM

To be fare (ba-dum-tsh), that math isn't factoring any increase in ridership SEPTA might expect to experience from improving conditions on the trains (by say deterring homeless etc. from living in stations / on trains)