Scumandvillany t1_jdb2qim wrote on March 23, 2023 at 2:45 AM

Reply to comment by Wuz314159 in SEPTA hopes new vertical gates will deter turnstile jumpers by APettyJ

When they buy more the cost will go down per station. Fare evasion is a serious issue and most of the people jumping are causing problems on the trains. They need to be excluded and the trains should be for riders only. Septa is not and should not be a homeless shelter

Wuz314159 t1_jdb6zgm wrote on March 23, 2023 at 3:20 AM

Just make the trains free. Simple.

Scumandvillany t1_jdb7ryb wrote on March 23, 2023 at 3:26 AM

I guess you're gonna kick in the 600 million in missed revenue every year? The "free transit" take is Pollyanna at best, and irresponsible beyond belief. Not to mention that the ONLY people left on the El will be homeless addicts. It's absurd.

[deleted] t1_jdc9xsg wrote on March 23, 2023 at 11:23 AM

I get that it doesn’t work but I really like the idea of spending other people’s money (evil laugh)

Diditforthevine69 t1_jdbewk5 wrote on March 23, 2023 at 4:33 AM

They spend more setting up, running, updating (all out of date now), stopping, paying workers to sit at stops all to make people pay. 40% of septa income is via city not fare. Spend the money on septa cops or community safety officers.

Addicts and homeless are people too. Safety and payment are not the same. Free and safe can exist.

Edit: source https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/2016/11/07/who-pays-for-septa/ and not most but 40% of revenue is from state

https://whyy.org/articles/ellison-septa-fare-free-opinion/amp/

AbsentEmpire t1_jdcyrsc wrote on March 23, 2023 at 2:43 PM

That's probably the worst thing that SEPTA could do, and would all but guarantee it gets turned into the mobile drug addict homeless shelter, driving ridership to near zero and seeing the abandonment of the system by the counties and state.

Why do hate public transportation so much?