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ActionShackamaxon OP t1_jclo963 wrote

Reply to comment by Owlbertowlbert in Happy St. Patrick’s from the epicenter of the 1844 riots. Where the local Nativists faced off with and burned down the Irish Catholic neighborhood of Olde Kensington. by ActionShackamaxon

There are subcultures who built local identities around these parishes (i.e Irish, Polish, Italian, etc) that are independent of the hierarchical institution of the Catholic Church. St. Michael’s is more reflective (to me) of local Philadelphia Irish than of the larger institution. There’s a time and a place, but it doesn’t need to be dragged through the mud in the context of this post. My own opinion.

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DayJob93 t1_jcltr4u wrote

I’ll drag it through the mud every chance I get. There’s sectarian bullshit in this very comment section you tribal idiots.

These same tight knit immigrant communities youre romanticizing kept the abuse from reaching authorities because everyone knew each other and would run cover.

Philly is right up there with Boston in terms of scale and severity of abuses and the church did nothing but find another parish for predators to hunt.

Take your child abuse apologizing elsewhere. This isn’t some small immigrant city in the south or Midwest. This is/was among the epicenters of unspeakable acts of abuse against children aided and abetted by the Catholic archdiocese of philadelphia

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NotUnstoned t1_jclxmo8 wrote

lol you’re right. The catholic school I went to as a kid got rid of their last priest because he was particularly fond of the young boys in the parish.

People who defend the church just because they are a part of it or know someone who is a part of it are 100% of the problem. It’s always “that type of stuff doesn’t happen here” but usually the truth is just being hidden or ignored.

Hands down, if you defend people or organizations that fuck children you are a piece of shit.

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BrokenManOfSamarkand t1_jcmx90q wrote

>Hands down, if you defend people or organizations that fuck children you are a piece of shit.

If you took this logic to its conclusion you would probably have to give up your citizenship and dissociate from humanity. For instance, why continue to be an American--a citizen of a country with origins based in genocide and slavery? Why be a Philadelphian, one of the premier financial centers during the early centuries of this country that funded and was tied up in those things?

You may respond that those issues have passed and so your identity is not stained by them, but then why can't that be true for Catholics, if they seek to improve their institution?

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DayJob93 t1_jcucu5b wrote

This is one of the most hand waving BS arguments I have ever encountered. You’re sloppily ducking the core of the question with some arm chair, half assed philosophizing all over the simple proposition: don’t apologize for people who abuse children and the organizations that enabled predators of children

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BrokenManOfSamarkand t1_jcudz5x wrote

I'm not hand-waving anything. You're engaging in guilt by association for over a billion Catholics by trying to claim they "defend organizations that fuck children," as if all the good work done by millions and millions of Catholics in charity, education, healthcare, etc as part of the church should be dismissed because of the actions of a subset of evil men. It's bullshit tribalism, and you know it.

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DayJob93 t1_jcugtdw wrote

If you need religion to tell you what is right and wrong and act as the main source of inspiration for ethical behavior in your life then I truly feel sorry for you.

It’s only hundreds of years late but the pope is finally considering ending the ban on marriage for priests. That is a start, but forgive me if I am not rushing to pat you all on the back for finally embracing some progressive changes to your famously regressive and corrupt institutions

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Indiana_Jawnz t1_jcuonx8 wrote

I feel sorry for people like you who think grandstanding on Reddit makes them morality superior to those who actually do charity work.

Pack up your edgy atheist routine and take it back to 9th grade.

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BrokenManOfSamarkand t1_jcuh3ry wrote

>If you need religion to tell you what is right and wrong and act as the main source of inspiration for ethical behavior in your life then I truly feel sorry for you.

I'd argue that religious belief is the only defensible source of ethical behavior that isn't inherently arbitrary, but I don't think we need to get into that.

>It’s only hundreds of years late but the pope is finally considering ending the ban on marriage for priests.

He should not.

Have a good day!

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