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the_rest_were_taken t1_jebily8 wrote

Reply to comment by Indiana_Jawns in [Inquirer] Census data shows Philadelphia population drop in 2022 by _crapitalism

> 90% of the time a developer will take a zoning bonus with the promise of having a green grocer and then you end up with a bank branch

If you're going to completely make up numbers it usually helps to make them semi-realistic. What a ridiculous claim lmao. I'm also not sure how any of that answers either of my questions....

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Indiana_Jawns t1_jebj2h0 wrote

Your arguments have been too strawmany to take seriously. But developers can still build affordable units and make a profit, especially if they take advantage of the aforementioned zoning bonuses

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the_rest_were_taken t1_jebl74t wrote

> Your arguments have been too strawmany to take seriously.

Lmao what?? You suggested that we build more affordable housing instead of regular housing. I asked how you propose we do that. I haven't even made an argument let alone a "strawmany" one.

> But developers can still build affordable units and make a profit, especially if they take advantage of the aforementioned zoning bonuses

Sure, but that only works if they're part of a market rate development. The person I replied to before you jumped into the conversation is opposed to market rate development of any kind.

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Indiana_Jawns t1_jec4uac wrote

Yeah dude, your response to criticism of the amount of luxury housing being built is to suggest that the alternative is to build no housing at all. Or that if developers aren’t building luxury housing they’re going to lose money on a project

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the_rest_were_taken t1_jecaphs wrote

The person I responded to was arguing that new “luxury” housing raises rent prices across the board. If we pretend that nonsense is true then isn’t the solution to rising rent prices to stop building “luxury” housing?

My second point (that you misinterpreted) was that if developers were forced to only build affordable housing they would have to do so at a loss because construction costs in our region are too high to support a unit price that would be considered affordable. It’s not even close when you factor in added costs for parking minimums, height and other zoning restrictions, and elevated land costs due to the structure of our real estate taxes.

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