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[deleted] t1_j8ngh5f wrote

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avo_cado t1_j8nkvph wrote

I think extending the BSL will cost about as much as the Roosevelt subway

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hatramroany t1_j8nxl24 wrote

The BSL extension into the Navy Yard won’t increase ridership enough to qualify for federal funding aka it’s an even worse investment than KOP. If Roosevelt Blvd gets federal funding the cost for both could be similar for SEPTA even if the overall price tag is higher for Roosevelt

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tkdnw t1_j8on6ml wrote

It would have the same ridership increase for half the cost as KOP

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markskull OP t1_j8o9clb wrote

As I've said to others: Why not both?

  • Cleaning up the MFL isn't a billion dollars, it's more about optimizing what already exists to complete the goal.
  • Extending the BSL to the Navy Yard is still doable, and should be done, but in the meantime we can also optimize the shuttle buses that run at the end of the line to run at least at the same pace as the Subways do.
  • The other projects, like the trolley modernization, are either already underway or also require the City of Philadelphia and most likely the State to approve new ways to use the road and allow for a dedicated lane only for the trolley. It's doable, of course, but takes time.
  • The PATCO extension isn't SEPTA, it's... PATCO.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't try and make those things happen, but there IS funding for the subway if SEPTA de-prioritizes the KoP Extension. Same with at least trying to get a BSL extension to the Navy Yard.

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Designer-Way1965 t1_j8osd7q wrote

I think all of SEPTA’s capital money should go to cleaning up and upgrading the MFL and BSL and for Trolley Mod. All of these other projects have serious flaws.

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cirenj t1_j8nqnuj wrote

Excuse the ignorance as I'm from SJ (15 min to KPHL).
Is there no rail that goes to the airport? That just seems wrong, for lack of a better word.

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Mike81890 t1_j8nrwih wrote

There is regional rail that you picks up from Jefferson / Suburban / 30th st, etc.

So I, who lives in south Philly, must take a bus to 16th and JFK, then go back down on the airport line. If the BSL just went south, I would save about an hour on airport trips.

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RoughRhinos t1_j8ntwe8 wrote

Also in South Philly. 37 bus wouldn't be terrible if it didn't make a million stops. Bus revolution had plans for a new direct airport bus from Synder that seemed much faster. Hopefully that actually happens. I usually take the 37 if I can catch it but a direct frequent airport bus would be so great.

Surprisingly Atlanta is hard to beat with their airport lines I think red and gold that hits so many neighborhoods and costs $2. Would be the equivalent of BSL from NE going all the way to the airport.

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JediDrkKnight t1_j8nsu0b wrote

Major agree, it's honestly an abysmally inconvenient trip to the airport for anyone not on or just off of Market. The airport should be accessible within 30 min by most neighborhoods in Philly by public transit.

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JediDrkKnight t1_j8o7grl wrote

I've taken the airport line after connecting from the El when timing works out just right, but that's not sustainable since the trip is 1 hour or more, when a drive is 15 min. It's bafflingly bad. In the past 4 trips, I've only used transit once due to lack of frequency, and I'm 5 min from an El stop.

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courageous_liquid t1_j8o7tcc wrote

> unless you live within a 5 minute walk to Jeff, Suburban or 30th, you aren't taking the airport line

I live in south philly and often take the airport line. It's not bad if you're close to the subway.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j8tajsq wrote

Airport line from South Philly isn't a bad trip, the biggest issue is SEPTA early morning bus frequency. But coming back from the airport is super convenient.

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Past_Cartographer230 t1_j8oe28w wrote

I agree with everything you said except for extending the patco. There truly is no reason to do so. It’s not worth the cost because people taking patco going in that direction can just transfer at 8th and market.

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tkdnw t1_j8onj16 wrote

Yeah, the PATCO extension to the 40th st trolley portal isn't really worth it, but if it were extended all the way down woodland to Darby as an el, that would be good. I don't think anyone has seriously proposed the Darby el in 100 years, though.

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