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harbison215 t1_j9gyuxn wrote

You know if you’re going to have pittbulls, you need to be able to control them. Sad story for the dog that got shot but I’m not sure what to expect. I wouldn’t let my little dog get ripped to shreds either.

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mistersausage t1_j9gzdtc wrote

>The footage shows Maguire sitting on a bench with her own small dog in her lap as a woman walking two other dogs passed by. One of the dogs — the pit bull — suddenly dragged her owner toward Maguire, snatched the small dog off the agent’s lap, and began aggressively shaking it, the source said. > >Maguire threw herself into the fracas and tried to separate the dogs, eventually drawing her weapon and placing it directly against the pit bull’s backside before shooting the animal once in its hindquarters, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Looks like she tried to stop the fight without shooting, and when that didn't work, fired extremely close quarters to not hit bystanders. IMO she did everything correctly.

Whole situation sucks though.

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porkchameleon t1_j9gzwbo wrote

> But video of the incident, captured by security cameras outside the apartment building, paints a more complicated story, according to a source who reviewed it.

> The footage shows Maguire sitting on a bench with her own small dog in her lap as a woman walking two other dogs passed by. One of the dogs — the pit bull — suddenly dragged her owner toward Maguire, snatched the small dog off the agent’s lap, and began aggressively shaking it, the source said.

> Maguire threw herself into the fracas and tried to separate the dogs, eventually drawing her weapon and placing it directly against the pit bull’s backside before shooting the animal once in its hindquarters, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

I have no problem with this.

Could had been a small child.

Control your fucking dog.

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calvinistgrindcore t1_j9h01ew wrote

Replying to mistersausage (#1,907,294)

It's awful, and unfortunately will end up being a Rorschach blot where everyone sees their priors about dog breeds. It's totally reasonable not to allow your dog to be killed by a larger, stronger dog whose owner cannot control it. It's also tragic that the pit's owner is in a tough spot in her life, and I'm sure that the dog was a major source of support.

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CattlemensSteakhouse t1_j9h123g wrote

If you cannot physically stop your dog from dragging you like a sled and killing another animal, you have no business owning that dog.

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icedoutskimaskszn t1_j9h1j28 wrote

Awful situation for both of them. I couldn’t imagine watching my dog get shot, watching my dog get attacked, or shooting a dog.

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TiberiusDrexelus t1_j9h1jqh wrote

Why publish her name like this, when there's a psycho mob after her head?

Her actions could not have been more justified, and were restrained. The AR-15 of dogs was attempting to eat her little puppy, she did what anyone would do in her situation.

I hope she doesn't get harassed over this nonsense, pitbull apologists are crazily ruthless and vengeful

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tastycakebiker t1_j9h1xap wrote

Replying to porkchameleon (#1,907,359)

Idk why the article uses “complicated” when describing the situation. This persons dog was being attacked and it’s life was probably moments away from ending, so she stepped in and saved her animal. Obviously it’s sad for all parties, and unfortunate, but not sure what is complicated about it

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RustyShackleford454 t1_j9h20ac wrote

Yeah, if an aggressive dog starts mauling my dog to death, I'm going to shoot the shit out of that dog. Sensational headlines like the one on r/news, Fbi agent shoots dog dead in ritzy Philadelphia neighborhood, and this planned "protest" can eat a dick. The only reason this is news is because of her occupation, you'd never see a headline like that if Joe Schmo the office worker had to shot a dog.

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conorb619 t1_j9h3e8q wrote

Open and shut case, Johnson……

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ScottEATF t1_j9h3p3b wrote

Replying to mistersausage (#1,907,294)

If her dog was in actual danger and it wasn't just two dogs making noises at each other, she tried to actively separate them and couldn't, and was controlled in the way she ended up employing her weapon; this was reasonable action.

Assuming the description given is accurate.

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kingintheyunk t1_j9h3yhf wrote

My dog was attacked by a pit bull at a dog park in Philly. The owner of the 90 pound pit had just gotten it from paws 2 weeks prior. I had to fight the pit myself to get it off my dog. Was terrifying. Took my dog months and thousands in vet bills but thank god she recovered.

Feel bad for all involved in this story.

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flamehead2k1 t1_j9h3zvh wrote

This thread is allowed up as it provides substantial new details. Please keep it civil or we'll lock this one as well.

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Lorenaelsalulz t1_j9h4kxp wrote

The article includes a lot of care and concern for the attacking dog’s owner. But what about the other person whose dog was attacked out of nowhere, who had to physically try to rescue her dog and then forced to kill another to save her dog? That’s a lot of trauma too. The vitriol she’s receiving, largely due to her job, is ridiculous. Had I been in her shoes, I would have done the same thing.

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Anutka25 t1_j9h4x7w wrote

What I hate is the precedent it sets here.

I have an aggressive German shepherd, she never leaves the house without a muzzle, but she’s got a loud bark and I can see someone having a knee jerk reaction and shooting her just because she’s acting out even if I have full control of her.

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thereisnodevil666 t1_j9h56nm wrote

Replying to harbison215 (#1,907,235)

Or not walk them in public like that at the very least. This is why. It's for their protection as much as everyone else's. I've got family with aggressive dogs that they don't trust but don't want to put down. Their solution is a big backyard and walking him after 10pm.

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Aggressive_Topic5615 t1_j9h5hjd wrote

What if the agent was holding a baby instead of another dog and this happened? Sad situation all around, but people need to be able to control their dogs that have the capacity to kill and maim other creatures. I feel very sad for the woman who had to hold her dog as it expired but also for the woman who did what she needed to do to save her pet from dying a horrific death, and is probably receiving death threats as a result.

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tastycakebiker t1_j9h5nes wrote

Replying to bigassbiddy (#1,908,009)

For sure. Someone else said it in here - if her occupation was literally anything else at all, this wouldn’t be a headline. If it was a deranged homeless person it wouldn’t be even be a headline

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Kodiak_85 t1_j9h5sif wrote

Replying to porkchameleon (#1,907,359)

Honestly, what was described here is a completely reasonable and controlled reaction by the FBI Agent. It appears the gun was only used as a last resort and it’s also very possible she shot the dog with the hopes of not killing it by aiming for its hindquarters.

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Gabagoo44 t1_j9h5upi wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,907,578)

Dogs are genetically predisposed for certain traits because they have been bred that way. It’s why there’s herd dogs, retrievers ect, pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs. You can train them different but that doesn’t mean it’s always going to work.

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skip_tracer t1_j9h5wou wrote

Replying to CattlemensSteakhouse (#1,907,484)

I wish this was the mindset of more people. I’m not a pit lover or hater, but I love dogs period. Some people just shouldn’t own pets, it’s that simple. My mother has wanted a boarder collie since ours passed 10 years ago, but her and my father are elderly and were ultimately swayed to adopt a Lhasa. No way they could handle a high octane pup anymore.

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gnartato t1_j9h6612 wrote

Having a dog off leash should just be treated as aggravated assault. I know it sounds rash but think about it for a minute. It's never excusable, it's a direct risk to others, and the PPD will never enforce it. What's there to lose?

Edit: brandishing in PA is aggravates adult. Same thing. A dog can be deadly.

Edit2. Dog in article was not off leash. I assumed.

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LoudGroans t1_j9h6akd wrote

Cops: “We don’t fucking shoot dogs. Why do people always talk about us shooting dogs?!”

Also cops:

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Kodiak_85 t1_j9h6hzh wrote

Replying to Anutka25 (#1,907,960)

What you described isn’t what happened, so it doesn’t set a precedent. At least not to the scenario your describing. The larger dog was tearing her smaller dog to shreds, she physically intervened and tried to break them up and when that failed she shot the larger dog in its hindquarters.

This was not a knee jerk reaction to a dog barking aggressively and acting out.

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Franklinia_Alatamaha t1_j9h6inc wrote

Replying to Anutka25 (#1,907,960)

Honestly, and respectfully, what the holy hell are you talking about?

This dog was actively attacking and biting her dog. This dog was not restrained by their owner, did not have a muzzle on, and wasn't just barking - it was mauling another dog. This has absolutely nothing in common with your situation, except it involves a dog.

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Anutka25 t1_j9h6y39 wrote

Replying to CommunicationTime265 (#1,908,129)

I mean it’s just the comments I’m reading here.

I’m well aware of my dogs triggers and don’t take her around other dogs.

I’m just saying that there is such a large amount of people who are not FBI trained to handle weapons proclaiming that they carry when they walk their dogs and aren’t afraid to use it against an aggressive animal. I can see someone not waiting until anything even happened to use their gun.

The easiest way to prevent these things from happening is to know your dog and their triggers, but also just avoid letting dogs on leashes greet each other. This is why most attacks happen.

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Anutka25 t1_j9h7kbs wrote

Replying to 4t2o0m (#1,908,225)

I was raised around shepherds, my dog is a rescue who was given up a bunch of times before I saved her at 4 years old.

She’s a fantastic dog at home, very well trained, gets along perfectly with our other puppy. I knew I wanted a German shepherd, and I wasn’t about to buy one from a puppy mill and I have the experience to not let a couple of issues bother me.

She’s just leash aggressive which is a small trade off compared to all the good things she brings into my life.

Like I said, I know what her triggers are and she’s always in a muzzle, because believe it or not, the only time we had a close call was when someone’s off leash dog ran at us and the other owner had no recall.

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Anutka25 t1_j9h7yut wrote

Replying to Kodiak_85 (#1,908,155)

I’m not saying what happened was a knee jerk reaction! I was pointing out that a lot of people in comments are walking their dogs and carrying, do they have the same judgement and aim as an fbi agent?

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worriedaboutlove t1_j9h8au6 wrote

I wish people advocated for actual people this hard. I think the FBI agent was justified. And, yes, I love dogs.

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afdc92 t1_j9h8d77 wrote

Replying to harbison215 (#1,907,235)

Absolutely. Any dog owner needs to learn how to read their dog’s signals for when they start feeling aggressive or agitated, and how to break up a fight if needed. If you cannot control your dog, it is not the right dog for you. Pits are extra tricky because it’s not uncommon for them to just snap, no normal signs of agitation like hair standing up, growling, etc. and they latch on and will not let go.

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afdc92 t1_j9h8k1j wrote

Replying to kingintheyunk (#1,907,830)

I’ve had to get a loose pit off my family dog. I was kicking it as hard as I could and luckily had mace with me which worked. My dog was thankfully not hurt but it was terrifying.

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William_d7 t1_j9h90hj wrote

Owner of the pitbull should be charged.

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joeltheprocess76 t1_j9h9an0 wrote

I was friends with a server/bartender whose dog was a pit/roc mix and she dated guys who were able to control her dog for her because she was not able to …. ever. When the dog bit a child, she couldn’t stop it.. luckily, the kid wasn’t seriously hurt but she was told to relinquish the dog.

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hatramroany t1_j9h9q0h wrote

Replying to p_britt35 (#1,908,378)

Concealed carry is legal in Pennsylvania and whether or not it was issued by the FBI is irrelevant because the Law Enforcement officers Safety Act of 2004 allows federal agents to have their firearms off duty.

Maybe try to do 2 minutes of googling before believing rage bait Instagram comments from nobodies? All the info is readily available on the FBI’s website.

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SBRH33 t1_j9hapb2 wrote

Replying to RustyShackleford454 (#1,907,595)

There was a story last year of a Joe Shmo, licensed to carry, who shot 2 pitbulls that were mauling a toddler on the street mid morning in north philly. Saved the kids life. Kid received hundreds of stitches.

The story received a 10 second blurb on Action News at 5.

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CreditBuilding205 t1_j9hazrm wrote

Replying to ScottEATF (#1,907,792)

> Assuming the description given is accurate.

The reporter is getting this description from an anonymous source without having seen the footage themselves. Presumably that source is a police officer or FBI agent who would have every reason to paint the FBI agent’s actions charitably.

I would not take an anonymous 2nd hand account as the definitive story.

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ScottEATF t1_j9hc7me wrote

Replying to CreditBuilding205 (#1,908,683)

That's why I threw in the qualifier. Too many times descriptions of footage of LEOs by LEOs is so far from what is actually shown that it's beyond understanding.

So it would not surprise me if that description is not accurate in part or as a whole. My guess would be that the attempt to separate the dogs would likely be the area doing the most heavy lifting on the veracity end.

Also really want to know what the other owner was doing.

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distilladelphia t1_j9hc7yc wrote

Replying to 4t2o0m (#1,908,225)

Define “friendly dog” here. It’s like dogs are animals, and animals can be aggressive, no matter the breed. Any dog is capable of aggression. Sadly the large breeds bear the cross.

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ruxtpin t1_j9hcdxz wrote

Replying to CattlemensSteakhouse (#1,907,484)

Problem is, I’ve seen people who could stop their dog from doing shit, but don’t because of… who the fuck knows. I gave some asshole in Old City a 10 foot berth when I was running and he still let the leash go wide so his giant dog could jump at me.

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yesmrbevilaqua t1_j9hci5u wrote

Replying to petedogg (#1,907,706)

I always say that, the people making the arguments couldn’t be more different but the arguments are exactly the same, and honestly you never have to worry about your assault rifle sneaking out of your yard and killing a kid

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OnionLegend t1_j9hcj3t wrote

People don’t want guns being shot in a crowded place so should we carry more swords?

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kemmes7 t1_j9hcubs wrote

Replying to ScottEATF (#1,907,792)

>But video of the incident, captured by security cameras outside the apartment building, paints a more complicated story, according to a source who reviewed it.

why not just release the video footage? how long does it really take to review? or screen it to reporters?

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redeyeblink t1_j9hd0yk wrote

Replying to Anutka25 (#1,907,960)

Knee jerk reaction?
>The footage shows Maguire sitting on a bench with her own small dog in her lap as a woman walking two other dogs passed by. One of the dogs — the pit bull — suddenly dragged her owner toward Maguire, snatched the small dog off the agent’s lap, and began aggressively shaking it, the source said.
>
>Maguire threw herself into the fracas and tried to separate the dogs, eventually drawing her weapon and placing it directly against the pit bull’s backside before shooting the animal once in its hindquarters

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SBRH33 t1_j9hd8w5 wrote

"Mulder, I think I closed this case." I beleive you did Scully, nice work"

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Anutka25 t1_j9hf361 wrote

Replying to yesmrbevilaqua (#1,909,004)

She is trained, she’s been attacked and abused before I rescued her. But thanks for the advice!

Like I said, it’s not my dog attacking someone that worries me — she is always in a muzzle and I have full control of her on the leash. I’m worried that someone will get trigger happy just seeing an aggressive dog bark.

I don’t bring my dog around others, but we’ve had unleashed dogs with zero recall run up at us causing her to freak out. Again, she won’t do any damage because she’s in a muzzle, but how is the other person supposed to see that if they’re farther away yelling at their dog with zero recall to come back?

Guns aren’t the solution here, it’s the dog owners who don’t understand how dogs work.

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_SundaeDriver t1_j9hf3bn wrote

My dog and myself have both been attacked by dogs. I carry a knife when I walk now. If it happens again I won’t hesitate to stop the other dog.

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Anutka25 t1_j9hfkg5 wrote

Replying to redeyeblink (#1,908,959)

Her dog didn’t even sustain any damage though? She just took her home? How violently was she being attacked?

Did she have to shoot the dog to kill? Why couldn’t she aim at the paw or something?

Im sure it was a very intense moment and I don’t know what she must have felt like, but there are lots of details missing. All we hear is that a pit bull violently attacked this dog, that didn’t even need medical attention after?

I don’t disagree that the other owner should have had better control of their dog, but I doubt that it’s so black and white.

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emet18 t1_j9hfrki wrote

Absolutely horrendous coverage by the Inky. Slobberingly sympathetic coverage for the pitbull in the first half of the article. Then we get some weepy statement from the dog owner's sister - why the hell is her opinion relevant? - before we even get to the most relevant part:

> One of the dogs — Mia — suddenly dragged her owner toward Maguire, snatched the small dog off the agent’s lap, and began aggressively shaking it, the source said.

> Maguire threw herself into the fracas and tried to separate the animals, eventually drawing her weapon, placing it directly against the pit bull’s backside, and firing into the animal’s hindquarters, according to the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

And then we get a fucking obituary for the pitbull and statement from more demonstrators, plus links to some ACAB Insta/Twitter accounts who predictably have the most smoothbrained take on the situation.

By the way, what happened to the little dog that the pitbull mauled? Was it rushed to the emergency vet? Did it's owner consider it her "baby for seven years"? Who knows, the Inky sure doesn't care!

Just about every part of this article is designed to stir up as much outrage as possible in a mundane event that wouldn't even be news if the shooter wasn't a cop. Irresponsible journalism.

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