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jakecn93 t1_j703zfc wrote

Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong, but the plan is essentially "we get the police to make them stop, but only arrest the bad guys!"

Why didn't anyone else think of that?

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PhillyPanda t1_j705chh wrote

It doesn’t say that. It’s talking about police walking the beat and being part of the community and NOT arresting drug dealers.

Very vague though… what kind of city services will the drug dealers tap into to make them leave behind their drug dealing ways?

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TheBSQ t1_j71mzze wrote

The article is ambiguous. Hard to tell if that’s due to RR, or the reporter, but it mentions arrests with ultimatums. It sounded to me like the idea is you arrest them, and tell them they have the option to do job training and find other lines of work, and if that fails, then it’s jail. That’s how I took it.

It sounds kind of like how, on the demand side of the drug market, in places like Portugal, people caught using heroin are given a summons where the authorities say, “go to rehab or we’ll fine you, take away your govt benefits, etc.”

Same general premise / goal. You’re trying to tell people they can’t continue as they are, but they can choose between entering social programs to help them, or getting punished (usually a criminal penalty like jail for dealers, and a civil (aka non-criminal) penalty for people who use, like fines, or loss of benefits.)

Of course, that requires that the social service programs be good, and it requires the city to follow through with the enforcement of the punishment option for those that don’t take service.

Politically, that’s hard because so many people in the US don’t believe there should ever be a punishment / enforcement angle. They think the govt should ask people to voluntarily participate in a social aid program, and if they say don’t, just let them continue buying/selling/using in hopes that eventually change their mind.

And cynically, there’s kind of an incentive for services to suck. Politicians like to spend on services as it looks like action, and the orgs that run them like getting money. And, in some sense, being good at addressing the issues means less future money. Problems call for money, fixing problems means less need for money. From the perspective of continual funding, the “ideal” outcome to appear to be effective, but to be a revolving door where people seeking help cycle in and out, and the money keeps flowing. That’s best achieved by running something like a 6 week rehab program with no follow-up services. Easy to parade around people at week six who look to be on a good path, but without after-care, it’s often just a matter of time before they return and do it all over again.

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Little_Noodles t1_j70acw8 wrote

It is pretty vague, but it’s a write up of a short speech. Nobody actually goes into much detail at these things - even less is pretty common.

I’m assuming there’s a more detailed document somewhere? Especially regarding how and where this has worked in other cities?

Not really enough to go on here, one way or another, beyond noting that she’s making it part of her agenda in a way I don’t see to the same degree elsewhere (I don’t think any of the other candidates have done an onsite thing?), but I’d be interested in seeing the more thorough version.

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thirst_annihilator t1_j71hp4g wrote

could the arrest the dealers too tho

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Little_Noodles t1_j71i7pi wrote

I’m not sure why that post said that. The article very clearly says that arrests would be involved when it comes to dealing.

Where it would be left to discretion re: arrest v. diversion to community services teams is for undefined “low-level” crimes (which presumably does not involve dealing, and is more about users).

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[deleted] t1_j70vez4 wrote

this isn’t going to work because it still relies on police using their own judgment to decide who’s a bad guy. and cops hate addicts and homeless lol

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ledgreplin t1_j71hioo wrote

Maybe not as much as cops hate working and doing stuff, though.

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