Submitted by buskingengineer t3_zy538x in personalfinance
Nagisan t1_j27bk6k wrote
Reply to comment by gigglesworthy in Girlfriend is changing jobs. Should she move her 401K into the TSP? by buskingengineer
A 0.04% ER (vs 0% FZROX, for example) costs $25 on $62.5k per year...not 'over a decade'.
Yes, it's a small amount, but yes this is one factor that can make an IRA better than TSP.
ER isn't the only thing either...access to early withdrawals can be situational, not recommended, but still easier and cheaper with an IRA than with a 401k / TSP.
Look at it from the other way around, would you recommend someone roll money from an IRA (with good low ER funds) into TSP or a 401k? Why or why not? My point is entirely that there are more reasons to have money in an IRA than there are to have money in a 401k-style plan. TSP is great as far as 401k's go, but it doesn't beat (or match depending on your needs) an IRA so logically you should prefer to move your money to an IRA unless TSP offers something special (which it really doesn't other than maybe the G-fund).
gigglesworthy t1_j2bdexg wrote
My math was admittedly simple but illustrates a point. If I invest $1,000 a year for 10 years and a marginal 6% return, a fee of 0.04% is about $31, that's not enough to make a meaningful difference. Source . It's probably not worth fretting over.
> would you recommend someone roll money from an IRA (with good low ER funds) into TSP or a 401k? Why or why not?
No, because it probably wouldn't make a big difference.
But, it depends on the fees. In my experience, funds in IRAs tend to be higher than those in 401ks, and are usually much higher than 0.04%. That's why I argue that 401ks and the tsp are superior in many cases. Large employers have negotiating power to demand low fees. Individual investors don't get that same luxury. This is of course not universally true.
My only argument here is your statement that IRAs 'easily beat' a 401k. Funds in a 401K will often match or beat an IRA in terms of fees. I have both. I've had to go through this decision multiple times.
Nagisan t1_j2bhd6d wrote
> My only argument here is your statement that IRAs beat a 401k. 401K is often match or beat an IRA in terms of fees.
As someone who has an IRA with public options that are lower fee than even TSP offers, your argument is objectively false.
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