Submitted by one-eye-owl t3_1263ycv in personalfinance
kylejack t1_je7ex13 wrote
Reply to comment by TyrconnellFL in My husband and I owe 22k in taxes but we only made a combine total of 75k by one-eye-owl
>What “insurance issues” change your taxes? Your insurance premiums are paid to insurance companies and have nothing to do with April tax time.
If they're on healthcare.gov insurance and claimed advanced premium tax credits and then made too much to qualify, they'll owe that money back.
one-eye-owl OP t1_je7f6l9 wrote
Yeah we bought insurance through healthcare.gov. We didn't get a monthly bill and we assumed it would be like last year where we'd owe about 4-5k. However this year it was 25k. Not sure why though as again i did the math and the premiums only add up to about 9k without the advancement.
AllTheyEatIsLettuce t1_je7t67t wrote
Something has gone very, very wrong with calculating how much, if anything at all, you owe Treasury to repay what it paid an insurance seller on your behalf.
kylejack t1_je7j3ou wrote
Are either of you self employed
one-eye-owl OP t1_je7jw6r wrote
I worked as a barber and receive a 1099 yes while he works as a welder
kylejack t1_je7kbcx wrote
He welds for an employer or self employed?
one-eye-owl OP t1_je7y0ok wrote
thank you for your help! he works as w2 employee
sir_richard_head t1_je7z5h8 wrote
Does he work full time? Does his employer offer insurance? How many people work at his company?
one-eye-owl OP t1_je80ae0 wrote
i believe it is a 30-50 person company and he does work full time. They offer insurance but for the last few years it was cheaper through the market place.
itackle t1_je837py wrote
That could be it. You don’t qualify for a subsidy if your employer, or spouses employer, offers a suitable plan. I don’t remember the specifics of the plan, but a good chance that’s it.
i_identify_as_natty t1_je8a71e wrote
Would that really add up to 25k or even 20k though?
last_rights t1_je8dgpa wrote
It could. Each of my family members is $550 a month on the marketplace, and we are all fairly young and in good shape. My roommate is $1200 monthly but qualifies for Medicaid instead because she is retired.
Andrew5329 t1_je8hy97 wrote
For a full family plan? Easily. I'm on an individual HSA plan and my employer's contribution alone is $9,250, plus my personal contributions of about $1200/year.
If OP is eating the entire unsubsidized cost of a family plan $20-25k is possible. It's also likely the subsidy repayments are only part of the bill, e.g. if they didn't pre-pay enough taxes in advance since OP was self employed.
prodiver t1_je8mcnj wrote
> Would that really add up to 25k or even 20k though?
By itself, no.
But the 25k would be the subsidy repayment, plus income tax on 75k income, plus self employment tax on OP's 11k income.
All that added together could easily be 25k.
rkalo t1_je8fosk wrote
Monthly premiums for two people would easily be 1k a month, that's just for coverage. OP shed light that they went through cancer treatment so I believe it.
Andrew5329 t1_je8j4ti wrote
That doesn't affect individual rates anymore. The insurance can charge your company a higher or lower rate than mine, but within our respective company "pools" everyone gets offered the same plans/rates.
It's one of the biggest drivers for corporate outsourcing. High wage workers demand a high quality health plan. On a $100k base the expense for a $25k plan makes sense. On a $35k salary, not so much , so now those people work for 'Facilities Mgmt LLC' which does the same non-core work but only has crappy benefits.
buried_lede t1_je87oua wrote
Is he self-employed, does he get a 1099 or a w2?
If he is, he’ll owe social security on top of taxes but can the self employed still deduct insurance premiums? So, yeah, get to a cpa to sort this out
ObiWanCanShowMe t1_je8a30g wrote
that is subsidized healthcare, the cost you see isn't the real cost. When someone does not qualify, they pay the real cost. Healthcare.gov is for poor people and the rest of us pay for it, you are now in the rest of us category.
BTW, get a real accountant that can do your taxes for you as others have said.
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buried_lede t1_je87jnz wrote
There is something way off with the insurance calculations. Does the exchange know what your income was? You made less in 2022, right? And the health exchange was updated on your income, right? And you downloaded the tax credit form that the exchange generates each year?
It might be worth it to go to an actual cpa to sort this out for you this time and get you on the right track for next year. A cpa- certified public accountant.
You can try the online tax programs yourself first to see if anything obvious pops up but it sounds like a cpa would really help you. Ask around for recommendations for a cpa where you live.
Is your husband self-employed?
one-eye-owl OP t1_je87uvx wrote
hello, thank you for the advice.
he is a w2 employee. We are going to get out paper work back and file an extension to sort this out
buried_lede t1_je8b69a wrote
W2, hmm it sounds like something is very wrong. You might not need an extension. A cpa could probably sort it out quickly
Good luck! Don’t lose hope or stress out. It could end up being what it sounds like, an error.
aldomars2 t1_je8dt67 wrote
Are you saying you signed up for healthcare through the marketplace then you didn't pay any monthly premiums?
Did you get a 1095a form in the mail? You can also get it on healthcare.gov
Ill_Psychology_7966 t1_je7wsvv wrote
This is why I like to call it the Un-affordable Care Act. I’m self-employed, and I have private insurance. Don’t even get me started. We have the worst, most expensive, least healthy, healthcare system in the world. And the hospitals and providers love it!
saruin t1_je8hkuk wrote
I've had the same but opposite issue. I didn't make enough money but I was still able to claim the tax credit because my estimated income was within the FPL limits (at the time of enrollment). So I should be in the clear, in theory. I could very well get some fine or tax bill in the future but others have assured me that shouldn't be the case.
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