Submitted by Shreddersaurusrex t3_10lh10h in nyc
TheObliviousPickle t1_j5yd1tc wrote
Reply to comment by juniperaza in Adams: 'Right-to-shelter' law doesn't extend to migrants by Shreddersaurusrex
Dude you’ve got to realize that it’s just not possible. You can have open borders or a social safety net. You can’t have both. It’s mathematically impossible
juniperaza t1_j5yepjo wrote
You can have programs set up that make it easier for children who grew up in the US or parents of US citizens to become naturalized citizens. In other words, make it easier for those who have established a life here in the US to become a citizen. It’s not hard. If Reagan can do it in the early 80s, why can’t we as well in 2023? I’m vocalizing strictly for DAPA and DACA (programs that Obama was pushing during his presidency). I said initially I don’t think that NYC should be the recipient of ALL migrants. But during my mom’s own process of getting naturalized, Trump made it much harder whereas Obama/Biden made it relatively easier. There’s no reason we should have strict immigration laws in place for those who are otherwise law abiding and contribute to society. It’s just funny how some of the newer members of this subreddit think those who have been in the country longer than they’ve been alive do not have a right to be here. What ever happened to ‘’Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free’’??
TheObliviousPickle t1_j5yfl0v wrote
Sure we can have open borders like we did in the 1700s when we were shitting in holes. But then we must abolish Medicaid, food stamps, section 8 and other social safety nets. If there is an open border and a guarantee to be taken care of financially, what’s stopping 3 billion people from coming here and sucking up the entire budget until it all falls apart?
You appear politically biased. I invite you to think about this without a political lense. Try not to be married to the party you “identify” with.
Grass8989 t1_j5z50qm wrote
This. People love to compare the way this country handled immigration 100+ years ago to now. We were very much a developing nation then that provided 0 “social safety net”. The immigrants of then weren’t provided with free medical care, housing, food, etc.
juniperaza t1_j60slvm wrote
Lol read my response to the other person. If we allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would have to PAY taxes. We wouldn’t lose those safety nets if anything it would bankroll the dying social security program. Undocumented immigrants today cannot take advantage of any federal/state benefits so what is your point?
Grass8989 t1_j6149j8 wrote
They can get emergency Medicaid. And we are currently housing them in hotels and providing them with free meals at NYC taxpayers expense. The majority are low skilled workers who would be making minimum wage as citizens and would still probably be receiving “social safety net” benefits.
juniperaza t1_j6159zf wrote
LOL. God you’re fucking stupid. But then again, Jordan Klepper has already proven that when it comes to how daft Trump supporters can be.
Firstly, emergency Medicaid is pretty much available to anyone. And it’s only for emergencies aka if someone is dying or suffering from a health condition that needs to be treated in the ER. The ER is not primary care nor does it provide anything. I know this because my mom went untreated for kidney disease for years before she became a permanent resident. And are we really going to deny someone medical care? I’m confused. And why are you mentioning migrants? Are you fucking stupid? The whole thread of comments started with a general comment about all immigrants. 36K migrants does not represent the actual 2 million+ immigrants that actually live in NYC lol. And I promise you they don’t all live in hotels and receive free meals. But you can continue to think that because the only thing you’ve proven is how incredibly xenophobic and racist you are. Congrats babe.
And wanted to add one last thing, you need a social security number to qualify for social welfare programs. Undocumented immigrants do not have a social security because well they’re here ‘’illegally’’. They’re unable to qualify for benefits in short. But you’re a moron who googled and ran with the only thing you saw which was ‘’emergency Medicaid’’. Which will only cover visits at the ER and no ER is permitted to deny anyone regardless of whether they’re a citizen or not lol. I guess our emergency rooms have better morals than the supposed ‘’NYers’’ that decided to comment on this post.
Grass8989 t1_j6176a0 wrote
Actually emergency Medicaid covers an unlimited amount of ER visits and due to EMTALA, no one can be turned away for any reason. No I’m not going to deny someone medical care, but this is clearly not sustainable long term. Thanks for the crass language, and assuming everyone who doesn’t think we should have completely open borders and take in the worlds poor is a Trump supporter tho, real critical thinking skills.
You do realize all of the major hospital systems in this city have a charity care system which allows people with little to no income to see primary care doctors and specialists for essentially free as well right?
juniperaza t1_j617tep wrote
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ochia/downloads/pdf/fly-957-emergency-medicaid-english.pdf
It literally lasts 12 months and it’s for solely ER visits. And why would we ever try to turn anyone away from the ER? Do you realize the ER ONLY treats medical emergencies right? You realize that if you came into the ER for a non-emergency, you would be discharged and referred to an outpatient provider right? It also states that in the FAQs for the program. So I’m really unsure what your point here is. Why should we turn anyone away from the ER?
And I’ve never once argued for open borders. I’ve been arguing for lenient immigration policies that don’t separate families or deport children? So again, genuinely confused at one your point here is but I’m guessing this is the Trump views talking? Or maybe the lack of reading comprehension skills? I mean you’ve been doing quick google searches at everything you’ve been throwing my way. So it doesn’t surprise me that you haven’t actually taken out the time to read what you’re mentioning lol.
Grass8989 t1_j618sjr wrote
No one should be turned away from the ER, I never said that. However, someone who works a job and makes 50k a year and has to pay a $500 copay if they’re having a medical emergency, and someone who’s not a citizen get a free visit?
juniperaza t1_j61a8in wrote
Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.
And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?
It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste.
juniperaza t1_j61a4h2 wrote
Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.
And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?
It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste. I guess im the only one who cried 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: and last thing because I’m over arguing with stupid — I didn’t see your edit on your last comment but the whole NYC hospitals have charity care programs. Those are for residents aka citizens/permanent residents. And the major health systems in NYC are include NYP, Mount Sinai, and many more private healthcare chains who in fact do not see individuals without proof of payment aka insurance or self pay. With that being said, those private healthcare chains will only see undocumented individuals in their ER since it’s mandated by law thankfully.
Titty_Salad t1_j63woec wrote
Everyone who disagrees with me is a Trump supporter! You sound deranged.
juniperaza t1_j66erta wrote
Because those views directly align with Trump views on immigration? If you’re this vehemently against immigrants, you might as well be a Trump supporter 🤷🏻♀️ cry me a river
Titty_Salad t1_j68p4yp wrote
No need to cry, some people just have a more nuanced take than you and your mommy. Womp womp.
juniperaza t1_j60s8cf wrote
We didn’t just have ‘’open borders’’ in the 1700s. In fact, we didn’t have open borders at all in the 1700s if you take into account that only a certain group were allowed in. And you’re making the argument under the assumption that those individuals wouldn’t pay taxes. Wouldn’t it be better to have those undocumented paying taxes versus not paying them? Like you do understand that being a law abiding resident/citizen would mean they would be paying taxes and contributing to society correct? And there is no guarantee to be taken care of financially like I’m sorry but when did I ever say that we should guarantee that those we allow to become naturalized would have financial support? Stop making shit up lol. And those socialist reforms we have in place were put in by left wing leaning politicians who supported lenient immigration policies right? It’s funny how Republicans love to shout their anti-immigration views in defense that it would take away from socialist policies that were put in place by politicians who were very much in support of immigrants lol. The fucking audacity. To put it in simple words, your argument is wrong because if you allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would be paying taxes and therefore increasing the budgets that go towards those ‘’safety nets’’ you’ve been crying about. And no the country is not crowded. The US is huge. In my initial comment, I said NYC may not be the best place for migrants but there are other areas of the US that would benefit. Have a great night!
TheObliviousPickle t1_j61260x wrote
Yikes I recommend seeing somebody for your mental health. I wish you luck- the world can be a better place for you.
juniperaza t1_j614il1 wrote
What about my comment speaks about my mental health? I called you out for being a dumb ass and suddenly I need to seek help for my mental health? LOL. I guess my points were valid then! Thank you!!
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