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Interesting_Banana25 t1_j5xd8fy wrote

Reply to comment by acheampong14 in Adams: 'Right-to-shelter' law doesn't extend to migrants by Shreddersaurusrex

Isn’t this basically the argument against sanctuary cities? Like, immigration is a good thing and should absolutely be allowed, but it needs to be planned out and it shouldn’t be a free for all. People who are in the country illegally should be deported.

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Vigolo216 t1_j5z0nxn wrote

Some people still hate Obama for deporting illegal immigrants. I guess the president should just ignore the law or something. Immigration is our greatest strength, but we also have an obligation to our own citizens and should prioritize them. There is a volume capacity for everything, including immigration, especially when it's directly to just one city.

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Silvery_Silence t1_j5zkeoh wrote

Lol there would be no workers picking your vegetables, processing your meat and working in restaurant kitchens, among other things. The fact that people still don’t know the economy would collapse if we “deported all illegals” is mind boggling.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5ykqcn wrote

Never understood how people could live in New York City, with its history of immigration, and still land on “deport the illegals!”

The entire country, especially food service, would crumble if we deported illegal immigrants. Grant easy pathways to citizenship, it’s not that hard. They are here already, working jobs and living like everyone else it’s just not out in the open

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CarlCarbonite t1_j5yt9ja wrote

Because legal immigrants, like myself, dislike illegal immigrants. My family paid a very hefty price to live in NYC. Blood, sweat and tears literally. To come here illegally is to spit on people who worked for their citizenship, their visas and their green cards. It should require effort and commitment to live and work in NYC. Immigration is fine but illegal immigration is not. I agree the process should be easier and honestly cheaper (we paid about 20k a person over the course of 20 years to get US citizenship. From work visa, to sponsorship for a green card to eventual naturalization. I came here when I was 5 and finally became a US citizen at 25.)

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sequencedStimuli t1_j5yv2mi wrote

The US immigration system turning legal vs illegal immigrants against each other is by design. There's no reason the system has to be so broken that millions feel like coming illegally, living on the margins, and risking deportation is a more feasible option than attempting one of the purposefully cumbersome, overly bureaucratic routes.

Anti-immigrant Americans and their elected officials understand that they can probably never close off the US to immigration entirely, due to our nation's history. But they're more than happy to never compromise in order to fix the system, and they definitely love the animosity the systemic dysfunction sparks between different immigrant groups, their families, and their communities. It quite literally helps keep xenophobic politicians in office, or gives them a cultural wedge issue to use in campaigning even if their jurisdiction is nowhere near the border.

Edit: phrasing

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deathhand t1_j64vwrp wrote

How do you answer the resources question? There simply isn't enough to go around for what we have, how do we handle more?

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talldrseuss t1_j5yynoe wrote

You don't speak for all legal immigrants, bud. My family and I are legal immigrants (now citizens) that came back in the 80s. I remember the complete chaos and poverty from the country we left. Fortunately my father had a high demand Job the US was looking for at the time so we were able to get sponsorship, and jsut like you, it took years to come into fruition.

But i'm human enough to understand if my family is dealing with a shit environment, food insecurity, gangs running around, corrupt government that has no problem if you disappear, I would do anything to get my loved ones out of there. So no, not all legal immigrants look at undocumented individuals with disdain.

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AcrossAmerica t1_j63jtet wrote

You can also be against illegal immigration but not see them with distain.

How many people are now crossing the border every year? 2+ million? How is that sustainable for a country?

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5z10fl wrote

If you have seen, first hand, how messed up and twisted our legal immigration system is, why would you push others into the same cycle? 20k per person is ridiculous, what if I can’t afford that? Just work until I can? It takes years to go through this process and frankly I have no idea how you’d be supportive of a system you clearly see flaws in.

Illegal immigrants do not come here take opportunities away from you. They don’t take jobs away from Americans. They come and provide a NECESSARY resource to keep this city functioning. That is more than enough reason for me, to support them in any way possible.

You are reaching the top, and then pulling the ladder up on those who can’t afford to wait years and spend 20k per person. Their actions do not invalidate your struggle. I am also a child of an immigrant to the US, and see no reason to use this barbaric and arbitrary system as some sort of bar for who should and shouldn’t be allowed to stay

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Sergster1 t1_j5z2ij4 wrote

> If you have seen, first hand, how messed up and twisted our legal immigration system is, why would you push others into the same cycle?

Please look at other nations' legal immigration systems before you scorn ours. By comparison, America has one of the best. The reason it fails is due to the sheer volume of people we let in.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5zbx4c wrote

Ok I looked it up. Am I now allowed to scorn the “pau to play” system we have in the US? Being relatively better than others doesn’t change anything if you were still asking people to spend a decade and thousands of dollars before being allowed to come to the US

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Sergster1 t1_j5zcaxo wrote

America lets in the MOST immigrants out of any other nation in the world additionally we dont automatically bar people from immigrating due to not having higher education.

Also the US is not any less pay-to-play than any other foreign nation. Legal immigration is fucking expensive wherever you go. The difference is we dont require that people be skilled migrants.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5zdlzg wrote

> Being relatively better than others doesn’t change anything if you were still asking people to spend a decade and thousands of dollars before being allowed to come to the US

Did you skip over this part lol? Better or worse than others doesn’t matter if the bar is still too high. Personally I don’t think it’s right that to come to the US you have to spend that much money.

Idk what else to say. Telling me to just be happy with it cuz others places are worse doesn’t change my view in the slightest

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Sergster1 t1_j5zed2g wrote

Being asked to spend a decade to immigrate is infinitely better than just being outright barred because your socioeconomic situation in your home country bans you from even applying. Remember higher education, which is the bar for most other 1st world nations' immigration policy, is a product of your personal wealth and social factors.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5zfxeq wrote

Lol maybe dream bigger? You seem perfectly content with our system now just because other places are worse. You make no arguments about the validity of our immigration practices, you just compare them to other countries to make it seem like we’re doing a great job.

Use your immigration a little to think of how it could ALL be better. Cheers lol

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Sergster1 t1_j5zgg0c wrote

Of course we could do better however I'm not very keen at bashing our immigration policies while turning a blind eye to other nations.

Additionally, I do not believe it is America's directive to pull up other nations members via immigration. Not only does it contribute to the brain drain of foreign nations but it also strains the situation here at home for low-skilled labor.

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bushwickauslaender t1_j61u0fq wrote

>America lets in the MOST immigrants out of any other nation in the world

This hasn't been true for a while. Last year, for instance, the US received slightly over a million immigrants (1.01M) while Germany received 1.2M.

You may argue that Germany had the Russian Invasion of Ukraine as a big catalyst, but I counter that Germany is a quarter of the size of the US so in theory should be receiving a quarter of the number of immigrants as the US, not more.

Germany is also a country where you can easily turn a work visa into permanent residence, and can eventually become a citizen. Most foreigners working in the US cannot do that.

Myself included, as much as I'd like to have the peace of mind of a Green Card rather than depend on my employer being kind enough to keep me employed so I can keep my visa.

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Sergster1 t1_j631ioz wrote

Immigration policy's main goal is to stave off issues from your nation having a declining birthrate, therefore, straining the economy due to the shrinking of its working-age population and increasing of the tax burden of the remaining working-age population to pay for the social services of those outside of it.

Size of a nation has very little to do with why a country allows for more immigration, and this chart explains very well why Germany has chosen to change their policy. .

Immigration is not done as a courtesy to those in need that is what asylum is for. Immigration serves exclusively to prop up the nation receiving immigrants. Theres no such thing as

> the US so in theory should be receiving a quarter of the number of immigrants as the US, not more.

The main metric for if a country should be receiving more immigrants or not is can the current population sustain the economy once people age out.

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bushwickauslaender t1_j61s7ln wrote

>Please look at other nations' legal immigration systems before you scorn ours

Having lived in 6 different countries and dealt with the legal immigration systems to work in 5 of them, I can confidently say that the US is absolutely dog shit at handling immigration. Sure it's probably better than, like, Venezuela, but most OECD countries are lightyears ahead of them.

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Sergster1 t1_j6328zd wrote

Immigration Services and Work Authorization services are mutually exclusive.

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bushwickauslaender t1_j63og1k wrote

I became a citizen in one of them, a permanent resident in another, and had the option of applying for permanent residence if I so desired in two others, meanwhile if I so much as suggest a desire to become a permanent resident of the US I jeopardize my work visa. But sure, go off.

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Sergster1 t1_j642gin wrote

I don’t know dude. I think you’re probably the worst person to be advocating for immigration reform considering you’re a habitual migrant based on what you said.

Im actually completely okay in your case if applying for permanent residency in the US jeopardizes your work visa since you are likely to be relatively well off to go through the process multiple times.

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Grass8989 t1_j5z4044 wrote

Most other countries require proof of income and a job so they know you won’t become a burden on their social services. We do not.

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Silvery_Silence t1_j5zl9s8 wrote

I love all the immigration experts on this thread that have no idea Wtf they are talking about lol.

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Silvery_Silence t1_j5zl79d wrote

It depends on what visa type you are talking about. This is a blanket statement that is absolutely not always accurate. To qualify for a marriage based green card for instance there are income requirements (ie you need an eligible “sponsor.”). Pretty sure the same is true for student visas.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5zc4za wrote

Great. How does that change a single thing I said? We still require years of dedication and thousands of dollars to legally immigrate to the US

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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_j5za1m9 wrote

they said the 20k was over the course of 20 years, so it's not like they're demanding it all at once. this is also not the cost of immigrating but the cost of getting citizenship which are not at all the same.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j5zccoa wrote

The cost is still ridiculously high for most people, not sure why it makes a difference. There’s tons of research out there about how much it costs the average person in application fees, time, effort, and postage

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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_j5zgv0u wrote

I just don't think "what if I don't have 20k" makes a lot of sense as a question if the 20k is over 20 years, especially given that as an immigrant someones financial situation would likely be changing dramatically as they progress along the path from arriving to citizenship. that person also does agree with you that it should be cheaper so it's a little odd that you're stuck on it so much. what you guys actually disagree on is whether it's ethical to break the rules if you think the cost is too high

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Silvery_Silence t1_j5zkrr0 wrote

I am married to a “legal” immigrant and I can promise you he doesn’t dislike illegal immigrants. Exaggerate much? I am certain there are many legal immigrants who don’t want you speaking for them. FYI many immigrants who are at one time here illegally later get green cards. I know you can still get a green card based on marriage even if you are a visa overstay, as one example. So it’s not nearly as clear cut as all legal immigrants were always here legally.

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birthdaycakefig t1_j64ouhd wrote

You’re kidding yourself if you think an illegal immigrant has the same opportunity and choices you did. Let alone the risk and issues they face.

If you really thought it’s the same at the end of the day, you would have done it that way too. But you know the quality of life an illegal immigrant has is different than yours and that’s why you went your route.

You were a citizen after 20 years and I bet you could travel much sooner. Some people come here, never see their family again and potentially can never work a legal job or have proper rights their whole life.

Not trying to say you should feel sorry for them, just stop thinking that they somehow are in your same position.

No one is spitting on anyone, you simply made different choices and now live with a different reality.

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AnneArchy123 t1_j60q3qe wrote

The ones in Midtown are living in an area where the average 1BR is $4K/month for free and getting fed while so many legal, taxpaying NY'ers are struggling to make ends meet.

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PhillyFreezer_ t1_j60wk7g wrote

How about…wait for it…both sets of human beings struggle less and have their basic needs met by the state. Why is it always a choice between one or the other? Neither should struggle and we can work towards that goal at the same rime

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juniperaza t1_j5y4fdm wrote

I disagree. Some immigrants, like my mom was here for almost 30 years, having established a life here including family. She came in on a diplomatic visa and fell in love with my dad and overstayed her visa. So why push for families to be separated? Why force a kid to go into the foster care system when there was no need? Didn’t we have all thing with kids and parents being separated and forced to live in detainment camps? I don’t think we should be supporting as many migrants that are coming in either but ‘’all people who are in country illegally should be deported’’ is not it. And I’m sure a lot of the people around you would be impacted. I think the solution would be to give people a chance to become naturalized the same way Regan did in 1982 (my friend’s dad became a citizen that way). There’s legit people who have spent decades here. And you think we should just uproot their lives? Horrendous.

Edit: Looked at your profile and it seems you’re pretty xenophobic and firmly against immigration. So no point in trying to reason with the ignorant 🤷🏻‍♀️

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OilGlittering7034 t1_j5y7bru wrote

Because laws still have to be followed regardless of if someone falls in love or not.

While your story is touching, we can't listen to every single illegal immigrants story and decide if it's worthy or not. It's not realistic.

Your mom may be a wonderful woman but she should have followed the rules.

USA is the only country in the planet you can just stroll into and and never leave and have everyone be like 🤷

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juniperaza t1_j5y7ifv wrote

Yeah you can take your laws and stick it up where the sun doesn’t shine. The whole rhetoric of this country was built on immigrants still shines true today. And the fact that it’s incredibly hard to become a citizen in the US is still an issue. It says a lot when fucking Reagan has more morals and more sense than the people on this subreddit who think it’s okay to spew their xenophobia on this page.

Edit: and side note, my story wasn’t mean to be touching. My mom established LEGAL permanent residence a while ago. I’m pointing out the fact that many children would be torn from their parents and that will never be ok.

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OilGlittering7034 t1_j5y7tcq wrote

The country was "built on immigrants" so we're not allowed to inforce immigrantion law for the rest of time?

You're delusional.

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cloudcrafterzNYC t1_j5yfuwo wrote

Nah what’s crazy is his family touched down 30 years and he wants his undocumented mom to be valid because immigrants built this country? Native Americans has a pretty big hand in that but how much contribution do you want credit for if your family has been here 30 years?

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OilGlittering7034 t1_j5yjlc4 wrote

I'm a construction worker. I currently build this country. No clue, by his logic, why my immigrant wife and I are wasting our time and money getting her citizenship legally 🤷

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juniperaza t1_j5zyaar wrote

Her**

And my mom is now a permanent resident thank you very much. And if you’re going to make the argument that American Indians have been here first, why do you feel that you have a say in who can become a citizen/permanent resident here then? I’m confused.

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cloudcrafterzNYC t1_j6058f3 wrote

No, you’re emotionally connected, not confused. The United States of America is not the same as the nations the existed here before. Did those nations have infrastructure, agriculture, education and governmental services? Yeah absolutely. Then. Colonizers gonna colonize though so now those nations aren’t the ruling governments anymore. The United States has a say btw, not me.

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juniperaza t1_j60mbxy wrote

If you’re a Trump supporter, please just start with that. Your views are literally in align with Trump. That’s says a lot. It’s funny how the internet brings out the ugly in people.

But let me try and dissect what you’re saying because honestly those ‘’illegal immigrants’’ can string a coherent sentence with better grammar than you can lol.

And it doesn’t matter if the US was colonized, the American Indians were here first so shouldn’t they have a say in who can become a citizen? If you’re going to ask me how much could my mother really have contributed if she was only here for 30 years, then how much could the colonists have really contributed if they weren’t here as long as the American Indians if that makes sense. And the whole point of me mentioning the fact that the US was built on the labor of immigrants is to point out that the US was always meant to be accepting of those who wanted freedom from religious persecution, freedom of speech etc. Undocumented immigrants should be given the chance to become a naturalized citizen. Canada hasn’t faced any negative outcomes with their lenient immigration policy so confused on what the bitching is about.

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cloudcrafterzNYC t1_j60nk1j wrote

You’re arguing your feelings. I don’t care. Super bad call on the Trump support btw… no point in engaging further, you just need to other me into some group you disagree with. I’m good.

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whenykyk98 t1_j5y8jy3 wrote

When you say immigrants built this country, what are you saying exactly? It’s so vague.

My ancestors were here over a 100 years before this country existed. Literally created it from nothing and fought for it. Trying to understand what exactly you’re saying tho because it seems like you’re justifying illegal immigration.

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juniperaza t1_j5yaxhv wrote

Over a 100 years ago before this country existed? Not to be a smart ass but the US was established well over 200 years so I’m a bit confused on your timeline here. And I am justifying ‘’illegal immigration’’. Every other country has laws that make it easier to become a naturalized citizen. The US has some of the strictest immigration control. Trump made it much stricter for a definite time period. And honestly, a lot of the rhetoric that people have been spewing on this subreddit is on par with the views of Republicans. If you all feel that programs like DACA or DAPA shouldn’t exist and your views align with Republicans/Xenophobics, why not just say that?

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TheObliviousPickle t1_j5yd1tc wrote

Dude you’ve got to realize that it’s just not possible. You can have open borders or a social safety net. You can’t have both. It’s mathematically impossible

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juniperaza t1_j5yepjo wrote

You can have programs set up that make it easier for children who grew up in the US or parents of US citizens to become naturalized citizens. In other words, make it easier for those who have established a life here in the US to become a citizen. It’s not hard. If Reagan can do it in the early 80s, why can’t we as well in 2023? I’m vocalizing strictly for DAPA and DACA (programs that Obama was pushing during his presidency). I said initially I don’t think that NYC should be the recipient of ALL migrants. But during my mom’s own process of getting naturalized, Trump made it much harder whereas Obama/Biden made it relatively easier. There’s no reason we should have strict immigration laws in place for those who are otherwise law abiding and contribute to society. It’s just funny how some of the newer members of this subreddit think those who have been in the country longer than they’ve been alive do not have a right to be here. What ever happened to ‘’Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free’’??

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TheObliviousPickle t1_j5yfl0v wrote

Sure we can have open borders like we did in the 1700s when we were shitting in holes. But then we must abolish Medicaid, food stamps, section 8 and other social safety nets. If there is an open border and a guarantee to be taken care of financially, what’s stopping 3 billion people from coming here and sucking up the entire budget until it all falls apart?

You appear politically biased. I invite you to think about this without a political lense. Try not to be married to the party you “identify” with.

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Grass8989 t1_j5z50qm wrote

This. People love to compare the way this country handled immigration 100+ years ago to now. We were very much a developing nation then that provided 0 “social safety net”. The immigrants of then weren’t provided with free medical care, housing, food, etc.

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juniperaza t1_j60slvm wrote

Lol read my response to the other person. If we allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would have to PAY taxes. We wouldn’t lose those safety nets if anything it would bankroll the dying social security program. Undocumented immigrants today cannot take advantage of any federal/state benefits so what is your point?

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Grass8989 t1_j6149j8 wrote

They can get emergency Medicaid. And we are currently housing them in hotels and providing them with free meals at NYC taxpayers expense. The majority are low skilled workers who would be making minimum wage as citizens and would still probably be receiving “social safety net” benefits.

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juniperaza t1_j6159zf wrote

LOL. God you’re fucking stupid. But then again, Jordan Klepper has already proven that when it comes to how daft Trump supporters can be.

Firstly, emergency Medicaid is pretty much available to anyone. And it’s only for emergencies aka if someone is dying or suffering from a health condition that needs to be treated in the ER. The ER is not primary care nor does it provide anything. I know this because my mom went untreated for kidney disease for years before she became a permanent resident. And are we really going to deny someone medical care? I’m confused. And why are you mentioning migrants? Are you fucking stupid? The whole thread of comments started with a general comment about all immigrants. 36K migrants does not represent the actual 2 million+ immigrants that actually live in NYC lol. And I promise you they don’t all live in hotels and receive free meals. But you can continue to think that because the only thing you’ve proven is how incredibly xenophobic and racist you are. Congrats babe.

And wanted to add one last thing, you need a social security number to qualify for social welfare programs. Undocumented immigrants do not have a social security because well they’re here ‘’illegally’’. They’re unable to qualify for benefits in short. But you’re a moron who googled and ran with the only thing you saw which was ‘’emergency Medicaid’’. Which will only cover visits at the ER and no ER is permitted to deny anyone regardless of whether they’re a citizen or not lol. I guess our emergency rooms have better morals than the supposed ‘’NYers’’ that decided to comment on this post.

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Grass8989 t1_j6176a0 wrote

Actually emergency Medicaid covers an unlimited amount of ER visits and due to EMTALA, no one can be turned away for any reason. No I’m not going to deny someone medical care, but this is clearly not sustainable long term. Thanks for the crass language, and assuming everyone who doesn’t think we should have completely open borders and take in the worlds poor is a Trump supporter tho, real critical thinking skills.

You do realize all of the major hospital systems in this city have a charity care system which allows people with little to no income to see primary care doctors and specialists for essentially free as well right?

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juniperaza t1_j617tep wrote

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/ochia/downloads/pdf/fly-957-emergency-medicaid-english.pdf

It literally lasts 12 months and it’s for solely ER visits. And why would we ever try to turn anyone away from the ER? Do you realize the ER ONLY treats medical emergencies right? You realize that if you came into the ER for a non-emergency, you would be discharged and referred to an outpatient provider right? It also states that in the FAQs for the program. So I’m really unsure what your point here is. Why should we turn anyone away from the ER?

And I’ve never once argued for open borders. I’ve been arguing for lenient immigration policies that don’t separate families or deport children? So again, genuinely confused at one your point here is but I’m guessing this is the Trump views talking? Or maybe the lack of reading comprehension skills? I mean you’ve been doing quick google searches at everything you’ve been throwing my way. So it doesn’t surprise me that you haven’t actually taken out the time to read what you’re mentioning lol.

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Grass8989 t1_j618sjr wrote

No one should be turned away from the ER, I never said that. However, someone who works a job and makes 50k a year and has to pay a $500 copay if they’re having a medical emergency, and someone who’s not a citizen get a free visit?

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juniperaza t1_j61a8in wrote

Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.

And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?

It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste.

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juniperaza t1_j61a4h2 wrote

Lol. Here is the bullshit again. You realize in the FAQ for emergency Medicaid, it specifically says that you only qualify for the program based on income requirements. And that income requirement for literally one person would mean they’re making less than $18K annually. Denying emergency medical care to an undocumented individual making less than $18K because the asshole making $50K has to pay a $500 copay wants to throw a fit is absurd. And literally emergency medical care is to save a life — it does not replace primary care or any of the other health specialties someone will PROBABLY need in their lifetime.

And you keep saying that no one should be turned away from the ER but you’re taking issue with a program that ensures that no one is afraid to visit the ER when their life depends on it. Like I’m not sure what you’re not comprehending here but I feel like the connection is pretty clear? Why are you taking issue with a program that has the only objective of making sure that anyone gets medical care when they need it?

It’s crazy because I could’ve swore Orange is the New Black had a whole season about how cruel immigration policies truly are in the US but clearly had no impact on American society. What a waste. I guess im the only one who cried 🤷🏻‍♀️

Edit: and last thing because I’m over arguing with stupid — I didn’t see your edit on your last comment but the whole NYC hospitals have charity care programs. Those are for residents aka citizens/permanent residents. And the major health systems in NYC are include NYP, Mount Sinai, and many more private healthcare chains who in fact do not see individuals without proof of payment aka insurance or self pay. With that being said, those private healthcare chains will only see undocumented individuals in their ER since it’s mandated by law thankfully.

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Titty_Salad t1_j63woec wrote

Everyone who disagrees with me is a Trump supporter! You sound deranged.

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juniperaza t1_j66erta wrote

Because those views directly align with Trump views on immigration? If you’re this vehemently against immigrants, you might as well be a Trump supporter 🤷🏻‍♀️ cry me a river

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Titty_Salad t1_j68p4yp wrote

No need to cry, some people just have a more nuanced take than you and your mommy. Womp womp.

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juniperaza t1_j60s8cf wrote

We didn’t just have ‘’open borders’’ in the 1700s. In fact, we didn’t have open borders at all in the 1700s if you take into account that only a certain group were allowed in. And you’re making the argument under the assumption that those individuals wouldn’t pay taxes. Wouldn’t it be better to have those undocumented paying taxes versus not paying them? Like you do understand that being a law abiding resident/citizen would mean they would be paying taxes and contributing to society correct? And there is no guarantee to be taken care of financially like I’m sorry but when did I ever say that we should guarantee that those we allow to become naturalized would have financial support? Stop making shit up lol. And those socialist reforms we have in place were put in by left wing leaning politicians who supported lenient immigration policies right? It’s funny how Republicans love to shout their anti-immigration views in defense that it would take away from socialist policies that were put in place by politicians who were very much in support of immigrants lol. The fucking audacity. To put it in simple words, your argument is wrong because if you allowed undocumented immigrants to become citizens they would be paying taxes and therefore increasing the budgets that go towards those ‘’safety nets’’ you’ve been crying about. And no the country is not crowded. The US is huge. In my initial comment, I said NYC may not be the best place for migrants but there are other areas of the US that would benefit. Have a great night!

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TheObliviousPickle t1_j61260x wrote

Yikes I recommend seeing somebody for your mental health. I wish you luck- the world can be a better place for you.

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juniperaza t1_j614il1 wrote

What about my comment speaks about my mental health? I called you out for being a dumb ass and suddenly I need to seek help for my mental health? LOL. I guess my points were valid then! Thank you!!

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Jaaawsh t1_j5ydtcw wrote

The U.S. actually has a very lenient immigration system, at least compared to other high income nations. Easier to become a citizen here than most other places as well. We are an outlier in the way that we put more emphasis on family members being able to immigrate here, rather than employment/education/skills-based migration.

Pretty sure we’re one of (if not the only) high income countries that still has birthright citizenship. Most everywhere else one or both of your parents needs to be a citizen when a child is born, for that child to be given automatic citizenship.

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bushysmalls t1_j5yadti wrote

Change the law because of this guy's feelings, everybody!

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juniperaza t1_j5yant4 wrote

Are you saying the same about the anti-abortion laws? Or the countless laws that exist but aren’t morally correct? I’m confused here.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j5yj862 wrote

> I don’t think we should be supporting as many migrants that are coming in either but ‘’all people who are in country illegally should be deported’’ is not it.

So you don't think we should be supporting as many migrants that come here, so long as your illegal immigrant mother is spared?

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juniperaza t1_j5zofcz wrote

I think we should support those who have established family here or have come to the US as kids — yes. This is literally the aim of the programs Obama set into motion called DACA or DAPA. Do you have selective reading? Confused.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j608wpk wrote

I just find it curious that your support for illegal immigrants conveniently only includes policies that would benefit your family.

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juniperaza t1_j60kuxo wrote

Because the policies I support are the ones that resolve inhumane problems? Do I need to link an article depicting all the families that have been separated and caged like animals? Like I’m sorry but yes I’m selfish for supporting a policy that would have prevented my mother not getting caged up like an animal had she not been naturalized. And why exactly do you think that staying in a country for 30 years separated from your family and pretty much everyone you know except your daughter is such a trophy? My mom didn’t want to stay in the US — she stayed because she had me to support. And in theory, let’s say my mom was deported while she was undocumented — do you really think it would be humane to separate a family and force the child to go into a very much broken foster care system? Like what am I missing here? My story is one among COUNTLESS stories. There are kids who are undocumented who participate in the DACA program and join the army and contribute society. Why would we ever want to deport them? They’re fucking kids. DACA and DAPA were great immigration reform policies and I sincerely hope Biden is able to continue them.

I’m convinced this subreddit has suddenly been overrun by nasty, brain dead Republicans. All of the policies that I’ve seen people in support of are in align with Trump’s views — that’s fucking weird.

And it doesn’t surprise me that you’re anti-mask. I’m guessing your anti vax as well.

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