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colonelcasey22 t1_j5zx2wx wrote

>The walk from the lower-level train platforms at Grand Central Madison to the 4/5/6 subway platform at Grand Central took 11 minutes and 20 seconds.
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>Compare that to the subway trip from the 4/5/6 subway platforms at Grand Central to the LIRR platforms at Penn Station, which requires a ride on the Times Square shuttle and a transfer to the 1, 2 or 3 train. That trip took 13 minutes.

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_j600nky wrote

This is not apples to apples. Just to get off the LIRR then get to the subway platform takes time. They just ignore this

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NKR1978 t1_j60tc2j wrote

People just want to shit on everything. God forbid anything be celebrated.

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oreosfly t1_j61yjub wrote

I disagree. They overengineered the fuck out of this project because MNRR did not want to share tracks with LIRR - hence you have a station 15 stories below ground that takes forever to reach ground level. Could you imagine an elevated station 15 stories up? Throw in the fact that it was over a decade late and went more than 3x its original budget and you have a project that deserves criticism. Is it great that society wants to invest in public transit infrastructure? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean projects like this should be immune to criticism.

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lispenard1676 t1_j62nhof wrote

> MNRR did not want to share tracks with LIRR

Grand Central has so much extra capacity because there are no intercity rail services from there rn. This feudalism between the MNRR and the LIRR makes no sense at all.

Is that really why the place is so freakin deep? Bc the MNRR wants the LIRR nowhere near their tracks?

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Nexis4Jersey t1_j6329h2 wrote

Part of the problem was the steep grades , the LIRR tunnel was below the F train which is a triple-decker tube once it reaches Manhattan. So to have it go from 63rd street to 45th Street and that would have been to steep for US spec'd trains. I'm sure with some modifications an International spec'd train could have handled that. But the FRA required these outrageously heavy trains up until 10yrs ago...so long as the line has PTC installed they can use the European designed trains which are also cheaper to buy. Unfortunately you still see many status quo agencies like the MTA or NJT sticking with the old regulations vs agencies down south or out west going with the new regulations.

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grottycrumpet t1_j63agk6 wrote

I thought that MN can’t share tracks because they’re at capacity, they have no tracks to spare. I’ve never heard that GCT has “so much extra capacity”

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justlookbelow t1_j64jx1e wrote

GCT covers Westchester and some of CT, no commercial, no intercity, and has more platforms than any other railroad station in the world.

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Am-I-Cool-Yet t1_j6isjbf wrote

They had a train to Montreal for a while.

But idk if that was temporary due to the Moynihan stuff. Either way, Idt Amtrak services to Canada have resumed since the pandemic.

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justlookbelow t1_j6isnav wrote

From Penn...

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Am-I-Cool-Yet t1_j6isuei wrote

There were trains to Montreal that left out of GCT for a while.

Also - looks like it’s resuming soon. The train to Toronto already resumed, per my Googling.

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D14DFF0B t1_j66bd82 wrote

GCT literally has the most tracks of any train station in the world.

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dontcallmewoody t1_j6bfvmz wrote

Saw a tiktok today where it literally took the woman 6 min to get from street to platform. Not sure why it took the author of this article twice as long

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NYCstraphanger t1_j618w6b wrote

I disagree. It is REALLY far down. If they did this and timed it, that is WITHOUT people. Also, the escalators are narrow so I don't know if you can even walk up it while people are standing to the right. It will be a shit show. I will keep using Penn.

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phoonie98 t1_j606l7m wrote

It’s also not accurate. It’s a 5 minute walk, not 12-15 minutes.

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myassholealt t1_j60q534 wrote

Anytime I see estimated walk times when getting directions I always beat the time by half. I know I tend to walk fast, but even when I'm going at a stroll pace (for me) I'm still faster than the directions. I can only imagine they go with a very conservative number for the slowest walkers among us who are still physically able to make the walk.

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nycdataviz t1_j61430h wrote

50% of the planet and the country is probably older than you and less healthy and able bodied than you. Bragging about your run time is not relevant to providing millions of people with an algorithmically calculated average walking speed.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_j616sha wrote

I guess this guy should apologize for being healthy and not eating his weight in chips every day.

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Mrmilkymilkster t1_j618039 wrote

41.9 % of Americans are Obese. Unless you are over 65 or unfortunately have non weight related illness, walking should not be an issue.

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Euphoric_Echo_2395 t1_j61gx76 wrote

I have (post-covid) POTS, asthma, and I constantly hurt one of my legs. I still walk faster than the algorithm says I should (including quick breaks to make sure I don't faint if the POTS is particularly bad or if there are stairs involved). New Yorkers just generally walk faster than people from other cities in the country (and most cities in the world).

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drpvn t1_j5zxly0 wrote

The videos of the walk to the platforms kind of blew my mind. It’s like an airport.

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oreosfly t1_j61yq70 wrote

It's about a 15 minute walk from security to gate B55 at Terminal 4 in JFK, but Delta provides a shuttle bus all the way out there. Taking almost the same amount time to trek between the street and a train station every day is mind boggling

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m4r1vs t1_j609m33 wrote

I can't find a video in the article posted, I'd love to see it tho, do you have a link for me?

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drpvn t1_j60gvlr wrote

There’s one in the story someone posted yesterday.

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PM_me_crispyTendies t1_j61hj33 wrote

I also think its about transfers. less transfers less risk when you're running late

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234W44 t1_j61m0b5 wrote

Exactly. This reduces risks of delays.

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miltonfriedman2028 t1_j61h3zh wrote

Except that most of the major employers in midtown are within walking distance of grand central…

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SumyungNam t1_j62fix9 wrote

Nah it don't take 13 min to get to grand central by subway and shuttle lol from Penn. First need to exit the train then walk thru Penn...sometimes getting off the train and walking up the stairs to get off the platform takes several minutes... next to the subway turnstile ...that takes time then walk to the subway platform, Only if extremely lucky the subway arrives as soon as you enter the platform, walk thru time sq sta and the shuttle is waiting for you as soon as you sit down it leaves. Exit the shuttle and walk to grand central ...No subway or shuttle delays also that would be a great day. I would def take an escalator ride over subway/shuttle from penn

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