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EvanMcD3 t1_j32tnt1 wrote

I'm so glad I'm living in the USA./s

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pseudochef93 t1_j32xgf1 wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,050)

More like hospital administration and the people who run them. Greed took over the admins and all these nurses want is more compensation. Look at what Nurses have gone through over the last three years, an absolute life time of hell they thought they would never experience. And who got paid more? Front line nurses who pulled double shifts for weeks on end or the admin who stayed at home away from the sickness and mayhem?

Signed, someone who isn’t a nurse but is 100% behind them.

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picklefluffer t1_j32ya10 wrote

From a friend of mine who is a nurse when asked if they’re going to strike:

> A bunch of NYP hospitals including mine (Columbia) have voted yes to striking, but that doesn’t mean we will actually strike. But if management doesn’t give us what we’re asking for, then we will strike.

> We’re asking for better pay, better staffing, to keep our health benefits, etc etc

> It’s insane because NYP execs each get millions per year like 10+ million in salary and they’re “penny pinching” nurses. Not giving us enough raises based on inflation

They are preparing to strike but hopefully hospital administrators agree to the terms beforehand so the strike is avoided

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lkroa t1_j3338xp wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,099)

do you think these hospitals are putting the patients first?

one of these striking hospitals admits patients to the literally hallway. imagine you’re sick and you go to the hospital and they stick you in the hallway where you can’t get any rest or privacy because people are walking up and down the halls all day and night. this is not the emergency room either, this is the inpatient units. this has been an ongoing problem since at least 2016. how is appropriate for executives to be paying themselves millions, but allowing patients to be in the hallway for the better part of a decade instead of expanding actual beds.

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cmc t1_j335zmv wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,099)

Why is it "patients first" when nurses request fair compensation but not when hospital administrators pay themselves millions without even setting eyes on a patient? What makes them worth so much more when all they're doing is logistics?

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Dan_Dead_Or_Alive t1_j33nemx wrote

The lawsuits from this stunt / lack of care for patients will surely be cheaper than paying your nurses a fair wage.

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j33nsmn wrote

So where are all the folks the Mayor said would be compelled to go to these hospitals going to go? Oh right, it was always a sham policy with nowhere to actually put folks.

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actualtext t1_j340rwv wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,290,926)

I definitely don't agree with this point of view. People shouldn't have to leave a profession simply because their employer doesn't want to meet or compromise on employee demands for real concerns and issues afflicting them.

Imo private unions should be completely be able to strike. Public unions I'm a bit conflicted on. I feel like employee rights and pay issues should be codified into law and should be given to all public employees.

But these aren't public employees, these are private employees and in your point of view it seems that the employer should have all say and that makes no sense to me. Completely tilts negotiating one way in favor of the employer. Why would it be OK for Starbucks or Amazon employees to strike but not nurses? Patients arent being impacted. Alternative arrangements are being made by the hospitals should they not reach an agreement. Other hospitals exist too. It's being handled as professionally as possible and they've been negotiating for a long time as well.

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coolwithstuff t1_j344f8q wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,290,120)

The truly intellectually pathetic reality of your position is that we are in a massive nursing labor crisis because the position isn’t compensated enough for the work.

Not supporting nurses trying to make their jobs better and more economically desirable is actually the thing that will lead to fewer and fewer of the nurses we as a society need.

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mahabraja t1_j34iiho wrote

Strike. Do it. Hospital administrators ate fucni g garbage. They are pinching from every employee they called a hero. They are pinching from every employee they sent ad sacrifice to covid when they said they didn't need masks. Fuck hospital admin. Strike, maybe everyone in Healthcare will benefit.

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marcsmart t1_j34n502 wrote

I’ve been on my soapbox in this subreddit regarding this issue so I’ll keep it brief. If it comes down to the strike it will be a brutal time for everyone. I’m in a hospital that isn’t striking so this diversion stuff is going to send everyone to the remaining hospitals and we are going to be drowning in patients. I hope the negotiations go through and they give the nurses what they deserve.

That aside nurses are striking so they can have more means to provide better care for YOU. We can’t do ratios of 1 nurse to 10-15-20 patients any more. We can’t have 1:3 in the ICU. NYC has incredible hardworking nurses that are used to working at 200% capacity every shift for 12 hours straight. But it’s unsustainable and inhumane. You don’t want to be one patient among a dozen per one nurse. Management won’t give the staffing and won’t honor agreed upon ratios. That’s one of the biggest fights in the negotiations right now.

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cranberryskittle t1_j34u5tv wrote

Nurses are worth their weight in gold. I hope all of their demands are granted. Fucking hospital administrators.

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Twovaultss t1_j350wg8 wrote

Replying to ThreeLittlePuigs (#1,290,348)

Uhhh. That’s ultimately what they’re asking for: end the hiring freezes and hire more staff. I personally am happy with how much I make but better staffing to feel safe with my license and my patients lives is invaluable.

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TrainlikeWayne t1_j35c70b wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,289,504)

Hospital administrators are putting lives at risks by not paying nurses what they’re worth and by not maintaining safe staffing. I used to work at one of the top hospitals in the country and holding in my pee and not being able to take a lunch break because of short staffing was a daily occurrence. You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. Also, don’t call nurses lazy the administrators are both lazy and greedy.

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dell_qon t1_j35d477 wrote

I'm an NYP nurse and our unit voted no to the "Tentative Agreement" contract and we are all willing to strike. The employee "grid" which determines how staffing gets distributed is being blatantly ignored. We are beyond short staffed and we are still working with shortages in PPE. We are working next to 'agency' nurses who are getting paid 75% more than us while not having as many tasks.

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LVucci t1_j35ej1r wrote

Strike! These greedy execs (who just bureaucrat all day) are all bringing in salaries that are over $200k but continue to be cheap with the people who actually do work.

It sucks they’re trying to guilt trip nurses into taking care of patients, but unfortunately striking is the only way to create change.

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LVucci t1_j35evsc wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,099)

Go be a nurse and take care of those patients since you want to act so high and mighty.

You’re bootlicking execs and they want people with mindsets like yours so they can continue to take advantage of you for pennies on the dollar.

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imlilyhi t1_j35f7i3 wrote

I get the impression that nurses make a lot of money…is this incorrect?

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LaszloBat t1_j35jbq3 wrote

I just spent a week in NYP and it was, again, a miserable experience. I say again because I also spent a week there in October after a hit and run incident almost ended my life. Both times the hospitals were severely understaffed. Both times the nurses worked their asses off. Both times some nurses were great and others were terrible. I can’t help but think I might be terrible too after what they’ve all just been through with Covid, then continue to be nickel-and-dimed relentlessly by the overpaid powers that be.

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Bankzzz t1_j35ke8e wrote

Replying to marcsmart (#1,292,120)

As someone who is not a healthcare worker, I am extremely concerned about healthcare workers ability to provide healthcare when they’re being stretched so thin. I know how hard it is in my role to be short staffed so I can’t even imagine how hard it must be for the people in ERs and hospitals. I would really prefer that people are able to get adequate rest and benefits for themselves but also so fatal mistakes don’t happen to patients as well. I hope they give the employees what they need because this is ridiculous. At what point is enough enough? People, in general, can’t keep “sprinting” throughout their entire employment - we don’t even know if we’ll ever be able to retire - so people really need to be given the opportunity to also rest. I don’t get it.

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Atuk-77 t1_j35nexp wrote

Replying to imlilyhi (#1,293,329)

Is about 79k, may sound high but is not enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment in the city, while administrators receive compensation as high as 10 million annually.

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nahaljaan93 t1_j35r77p wrote

Hospital Admins really playing Russian roulette with ppl’s lives not to properly compensate the very people tending to the patients’ well being just for the sake of profits and their precious bonuses. Get ‘em, nurses! Strike on!

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Radun t1_j370qq7 wrote

i hope they do strike, nurses deserve way more then what they get now, and hospital admins can careless and really greedy

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jjd13001 t1_j377obk wrote

Nurses are the backbone of hospitals, the stories of things I’ve heard my friends who are nurses have to do I couldn’t even imagine doing in a hundred years. Give them all the money

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Atuk-77 t1_j37k944 wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,050)

And the administrator will keep their income in millions but let’s blame the nurse. No one owns you anything, why should they continue working when most nurses in NYC can not even afford a 1 bedroom apartment?

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Atuk-77 t1_j37kaa4 wrote

Replying to Moist-Department2012 (#1,289,050)

And the administrator will keep their income in millions but let’s blame the nurse. No one owns you anything, why should they continue working when most nurses in NYC can not even afford a 1 bedroom apartment?

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Turbulent_Bathroom86 t1_j37xzhz wrote

Taking away nurses benefits and expecting them to be okay with it is the stupidest thing I have heard. The workers have the power because they make value especially in healthcare. These greedy hospital leadership teams have to be destroyed off the face of the Earth.

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Realistic-Work-419 t1_j397590 wrote

Is this just about higher wages and opening up additional roles? I don’t know why that is so much to ask in light of some of the stratospheric comp upper management is said to receive.

Such a simple view though makes me question whether there is just more to it. I have to believe those at the negotiating table are reasonable people. What needs to happen here?

It’s awful to imagine what a strike will result in and I’m really hoping this will all get resolved soon.

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meantnothingatall t1_j3capfz wrote

Replying to Atuk-77 (#1,293,666)

Starting salary at a crappy city hospital is 80Kish. That's starting, no differential or extras included in that rate, plus a pension. Truly garbage pay is usually at places like nursing homes.

I know hospitals like Mount Sinai are so cheap. I'm in healthcare, not nursing, and I applied for a job there once as a per diem. When I told them my desired rate for a job with no benefits, they told me it was "really high." I knew that wasn't true because I had already worked in the field for years. But my god it was the type of position you don't want to play around with in terms of hiring and they were taken aback by a very reasonable ask.

The bigger issue is definitely burnout. My sibling is an RN in a crazy ED and she has a RIDICULOUS amount of patients at times. She deals with all kinds of people, is threatened regularly, etc. Even with that, she said if it wasn't that short it wouldn't be so horrible. And the contract nurses she said are a BIG hit or miss. She's literally had some traveler nurses show up and do almost nothing for 3x the pay.

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meantnothingatall t1_j3dl53h wrote

Replying to Atuk-77 (#1,304,046)

That's not really true. I don't know why people are such sticklers for using Manhattan as the basis of affordability. My sister almost never works OT and lives very comfortably on her income. She works three days per week. She has her own one bedroom apartment. She lives in a good location (not Manhattan) that's very close to the train.

At my place, the nurses only work OT when they are short nurses.

People would say the same thing in my field (also healthcare, not as well-paid as nurses.) I used to work lots of OT and had second jobs. This was just for the extra money that I put to good use.

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