app4that t1_j6hx6ja wrote
Reply to comment by mowotlarx in Mayor Adams plows ahead with plan to privatize health benefits for 250,000 NYC municipal retirees by mowotlarx
Counterpoint/opinion would be that many municipal workers may not be paid in salary what their counterparts in private enterprise are paid but they typically get pensions, full health and benefits and more stability in terms of job safety. Additionally, there are a lot of employees in the municipal workforce who engage in schemes to enhance their overtime in the final year of their employment so they make much more in (early) retirement due to the padding in their final year.
As a result of much of this nonsense, taxpayers pay astronomical sums for certain health benefits given to retirees (something unheard of in the private sector) as well as the concept of a fully paid early retirement.
I know not every city or state employee is doing this, but there is such significant graft and corruption in multiple agencies and public unions that this barely makes the news anymore.
Personally, I think it’s time to stop some of the gravy-train and get some of our money back. I’m not sure Adams is the guy to do it or if this is where to start but I think we need someone to step up for the taxpayers who are paying through the nose while getting wrecked financially.
mowotlarx OP t1_j6hzlrp wrote
Tier 6 pension is not as good as being paid more $$ annually and putting into a 401k. This isn't a gravy train. I know people who retired city service after 3 decades and maxed out around $41k salary at retirement. Even with a better pension tier they will be living in poverty despite their pension. It is only as good as the salary is.
When you're talking about people taking advantage of OT, you're mostly talking about cops, firefighters and sanitation. I agree we should go after them specifically, but they aren't the rule.
bittoxic00 t1_j6j3u40 wrote
What city jobs are only paying 41k after entry level?
mowotlarx OP t1_j6j635s wrote
People who retired in the last few years didn't begin at $41k. You're awfully naive if you think most city workers are being land market rate or are getting significant pay bumps just because they've worked for decades.
bittoxic00 t1_j6kofkm wrote
You said they maxed out at 41k salary, who’s making 41k at max let alone entry
mowotlarx OP t1_j6kyt1g wrote
I said I know someone who worked for the city for decades and their highest salary when they left was around there. Welcome to NYC civil service, people are paid like shit and cost of living increases don't keep pace with inflation.
bittoxic00 t1_j6l4jtk wrote
What job? Because I looked up upcoming exams for jobs here.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/dcas/employment/how-can-you-find-upcoming-exams.page
And picked one at random, child welfare specialist.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/acs/about/becoming-cps.page
And learned level one starting salary is 52k a year. Who is maxing out at 41k?
mowotlarx OP t1_j6mi4ik wrote
What don't you understand about someone starting a job at a salary versus retiring at a salary?
bittoxic00 t1_j6mjpg3 wrote
It’s simple, what job is maxing 41k when starting salaries are 50
mowotlarx OP t1_j6mtete wrote
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WHO BEGAN THEIR CAREER 20 AND 30 YEARS AGO DON'T START AT THE SAME STARTING SALARY THAT PEOPLE DO NOW?!?
The city doesn't increase the salaries of veteran workers to be in parity with brand new hires as a rule. There are people who began here making $25k (or less) when they started. There are people who have worked here for decades making an hourly wage and are still only making $18/hr.
bittoxic00 t1_j6n6cgu wrote
Do you have an example, I just find it unbelievable and if you had proof it would be cool, so there are child specialists working for 30 years that make less than a brand new hire, Idk about that
bittoxic00 t1_j6i69dv wrote
Most people would need to have saved a million dollars to buy an annuity that would pay 41k a year. Add in their social security and it’s a decent retirement, no one is entitled to retire in a high col area
jay5627 t1_j6i6rmk wrote
Yet an institution is able to offer lower wages with the guarantee of certain things post retirement and then take it away once the people finished their careers?
mowotlarx OP t1_j6i747t wrote
Exactly. These retirees were promised these benefits. They're on a fixed income. $100-200 extra per month (plus extra healthcare costs they're now on the hook for) can make or break many people.
bittoxic00 t1_j6i7ijl wrote
Social security age of retirement has been raised since I’ve started working, it’ll likely go up again
mowotlarx OP t1_j6i6q2f wrote
So what do you think people who aren't millionaires, the vast majority of people in NYC, are supposed to do after spending their life serving people in the city where they live? Throw themselves off a cliff?
bittoxic00 t1_j6i7y22 wrote
Florida? Do you also think people who get 4 bedroom rent controlled apartments should get to keep them once their kids move out? I’m not for government changing terms but these once generous handouts need to adapt, no millennial will ever see these
mowotlarx OP t1_j6i8ef0 wrote
You must know a lot of cops who flee to Florida. Because it's not normal for middle and lower income New Yorkers to pick up their life and move to fucking Florida because they retire. That's not cheap.
And don't pretend to speak for Millennials. Any Millennial who has thought for more than a few minutes on this subject knows that us fucking over these retirees means we are only fucking over ourselves. Every time we take away retiree benefits for current retirees we're making it less and less likely we will ever be able to retire.
bittoxic00 t1_j6ibtll wrote
I’ll let you in on a secret, we’ll never retire unless ubi is implemented or you save and invest privately.
soupdumplinglover t1_j6i45in wrote
As a city employee who cannot get overtime, this is really unfortunate. I think the overtime eligible employees should get the new plan, and all the rest should get the existing plan.
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bittoxic00 t1_j6hyvec wrote
Every municipal retiree I know pulled that scam, overtime was reserved for those close to retirement for that reason and everyone was in on it. With retirement ages being raised for a variety of reasons this whole ‘screw you, got mine, just let everyone else pay’ mentality will keep younger generations working forever
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