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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mcqq9 wrote

How many of those fatalities were cause by criminals driving stolen cars, or criminals using cars as a weapon?

Are we surprise the numbers are ticking up since 2020?

The bail reform left murders bail-eligible, but the reform practically made homicides using vehicles not-bail eligible.

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mission17 t1_j5mdqds wrote

Is there anything you haven't tried to blame on bail reform yet?

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Sickpup831 t1_j5mhv2s wrote

No but I will blame a DA that ran on the platform of refusing to prosecute people driving with suspended licenses because it’s racist.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mgbzi wrote

Probably the most impactful thing the bail reform did to traffic safety was making auto theft not-bail eligible.

Color me skeptic, but I don't believe drivers fleeing with stolen cars care if the car gets damaged. Let alone caring about traffic safety.

  • 2019: 5,430 GLA (GRAND LARCENY AUTO)
  • 2020: 9,037 GLA
  • 2021: 10,415 GLA
  • 2022: 13,750 GLA
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brownredgreen t1_j5mhhjl wrote

CITATION NEEDED

You anti bail reform people are well known liars.

Documented proof or STFU

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mjc8g wrote

You can believe, without any evidence, that car thieves drive stolen cars as safely as everyone else. That's up to you.

Anyone who can set ideology aside for a minute can apply some common sense here.

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mission17 t1_j5mlze1 wrote

Your leap from "reckless driver" to "car thief" seemed to purposely miss a few other probable explanations for why crashes occur in order to reach your desired conclusion in every thread (bail reform and Bragg = bad).

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Rottimer t1_j5pua4q wrote

Now look up the index of used car prices in 2019 - 2022. Let me help:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SETA02

So the easiest cars to steal (see Hyundai and Kia’s lack of immobilizers in used models) are worth 50-60% more year over year. And you think it’s bail reform that caused a spike in car thefts?

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5pz7l2 wrote

It’s only possible to say the bail laws are not a factor if we had 13750 car thieves, with each of them only stealing one car and never reoffending.

But that would require NYC to have 13750 car thieves, which is an absurd number (more than 170 per 100,000).

But let’s them keep driving the stolen cars, shall we?

A stolen vehicle is 150 to 200x more likely to be involved in a car accident. So at least we have that going.

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Rottimer t1_j5q1ki7 wrote

Car thefts are not tied to arrests. So your assertion isn’t true at all. You could have 13,750 car thefts by one very busy person who has never been caught and bail reform would have had zero impact on that crime figure.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5q4mwe wrote

Fair.

A combination of recidivism during the pre-trial period and a measure of loss in the deterrence effect would be a better way of measuring the impact of the bail reform and the other related reforms (automatic discovery, raise the age, etc).

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Grass8989 t1_j5mdnjn wrote

This is also true. I’d imagine the vehement champions of “bail reform” probably desperately want anyone who injures someone with a vehicle to serve the maximum sentence, and be held pretrial. They can’t have it both ways

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-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_j5mv582 wrote

I’m not surprised that that’s when the uptick started. Because it’s when bike lanes were implemented in the stupidest way possible.

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brownredgreen t1_j5mhmfx wrote

Should Harvey Weinstein have been held in detention before his crimes were proven in a courtroom and a jury found him guilty?

Why wasnt he?

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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mjvyj wrote

Harvey Weinstein is not the best poster child for pre-trial rights...

The main issue is that the judge in NY can only set bail to ensure his appearance in court. They set to $2M and he did appear in court.

The problem is that the NY laws (incorrectly IMO) makes pre-trial detention be unrelated to public safety and the likelihood to re-offend. And that needs to change.

Under a public safety standard, the sheer amount of victims ought to convince any judge that he is a threat to the public, no matter how much money he has to pay.

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