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Martin Treat Co-founder of CHEKPEDS

An Alternative for People with DisabilitiesEvery Veterans Day I join the parade up Fifth Avenue in my electric wheelchair.I lost the ability to walk because of my exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam and I see younger veterans from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in

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Red__dead t1_j1u2l1s wrote

>Expanded sidewalks and open streets are game changers for People with Disabilities

Are you sure? Because the carbrained performative concern trolls here keep pushing the line that making the streets more pleasant, safe and accessible will leave the disabled housebound and unable to move their fridges back and forth between midtown and East Queens.

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ketzal7 t1_j1un486 wrote

Every thread there’s a comment about how someone might need to drive their ailing parent into the city and therefore improving streets for pedestrians is an attack on their family.

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the_mail_robot t1_j1v41w8 wrote

I’ve been the ailing person who had to be driven to the hospital so I get that it has to happen. With that said, I work near a hospital and the drivers around there are awful. I avoid the block with the entrance to the hospital parking garage because I’ve had too many close calls with drivers making left turns out of the right lane or turning right on red without looking for pedestrians.

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leggypepsiaddict t1_j1u6m97 wrote

Oh for fuck's sweet sake I really hope you're joking. I'm mobility impared, and the "everyone dine on the sidewalks" thing really makes it harder for me to navigate. Especially down in the village where I've had to walk in the street to get past. I can't fathom being in a wheelchair. It's hard enough being wobbly with a cane.

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CHEKPEDS OP t1_j1u9a3a wrote

Agreed. These structures are a terrible impediment, but having sidewalk extension without curbs does make life easier.

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leggypepsiaddict t1_j1ucp7i wrote

I 💯 percent agree. Also, I know it's not cost effective, but the MTA really needs to make more ADA accessible stations. If it's not accessible to those with disabilities then it's not truly public transport. Thank you for your post, OP.

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_Maxolotl t1_j1v8dyc wrote

They spend billions on new stations that are way, way bigger than they need to be. They spend billions tunneling in order to placate rich people who'll sue if they use the cut and cover method, which is much cheaper.

That's not cost effective. Paying way too much for an elevator due to construction industry graft is not cost effective.

But putting in an elevator at a fair price so that disabled people an mobility impaired people and elderly people who just don't want to risk falling down stairs will ride the subway more? That's absolutely cost effective.

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meantnothingatall t1_j1uk7os wrote

Where my parents live they only just got the first elevator (no escalators either) in the entire neighborhood in the last few years. This was only at one station out of four.

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leggypepsiaddict t1_j1ut3dw wrote

I feel for them. The 59th and Lex (4,5,6, N,R,W) station is the closest to where I need to be for some medical treatment. However, the stairs getting out of there have a slightly higher incline than most stations making it a real bitch to get out of. I get off at CPK south at 5th and schlep a few blocks on flat ground. Much easier. I get that the system was not designed with the disabled in mind and its going to cost a LOT to make stations accessible. But it NEEDS to be done.

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ketzal7 t1_j1uncag wrote

The expanded sidewalks would help with that.

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_Maxolotl t1_j1v8qf3 wrote

Government officials are always wanting to widen streets and add car lanes when people complain about traffic being difficult to navigate.

We need to demand they widen sidewalks when people complain about crowds and sidewalk cafes being difficult to navigate. That'll mean losing some car lanes, but cities are for people first, not cars.

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leggypepsiaddict t1_j1vpvuv wrote

Listen, in Paris street cafes with sidewalk seating are no biggie. But, they have the room to accommodate pedestrians. Yeah the cars are smaller and kinda odd looking sometimes but yeah. My point is that NYC (particularly below Houston) was not built with the same kind of planning. That plus the car centric American society didn't really call for it anyway.

However, NYC is often an incubator and instigator in movements of all types. Since my epileptic ass can't drive, I'd support more traffic patterns like what they did on 32nd between 6th and 7th. Blocked off a lane of traffic with boulders (which also double as much needed public seating for those who can't stand/walk for long periods), painted the lane green and labeled it a "pedestrian flow zone".

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InfernalTest t1_j1vbfgo wrote

but without the cars

you wont have cities...

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sutisuc t1_j1vcyll wrote

I’m sorry what?

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InfernalTest t1_j1wrcxj wrote

well the reason you have this city is because a bunch of people who DO have walkable wide sidewalks dont wanna be there - they wanna be here -

they are from places where you need a car to get around and they will drive in their car to get here for work or for play - nyc wouldnt be NYC if its wasnt for those people in areas where they predominantly have cars - its because of those "car people " we have the prosperity here because they want to come and work and be entertained here and live close enough to get here by car.

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CHEKPEDS OP t1_j1zlto1 wrote

2 millions come by car, 6 millions walk or use transit .

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TeamMisha t1_j1viy6h wrote

Folks also underestimate what improving street safety can do for vulnerable users (i.e. wheelchair/stroller moms). The entitled believe parking on sidewalks or blocking crosswalks is a "non issue" or a "mind your own business" kind of thing, but they have real impacts on people who need the ADA ramps, who need accessible crossings, who need more assistance just to move around the city, something we all take for granted.

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NewYorker0 t1_j1vi26b wrote

What about parking lots? Where’s the game changer for cars? /s

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CHEKPEDS OP t1_j1vph54 wrote

game was changed for cars 100-70 years ago.

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NewYorker0 t1_j1vuk2n wrote

Have you seen “downtown” Houston? It’s literally half parking lots and half highways.

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I_am_qns_blvd t1_j1xlutj wrote

Until Covid scare let restaurants to effectively double their size by using sidewalk as part of their restaurant.

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grandzu t1_j210lo8 wrote

Please, elevators in all subway stations would be a game changer.

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systemization t1_j1w5rw1 wrote

We really need more streets/lanes. The traffic is just atrocious.

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InfernalTest t1_j1zfooz wrote

the traffic is atrocious because the traffic planner(s) are making formerly wide avenues narrower which naturally causes congestion

justifying the "need" for "congestion pricing..."

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CHEKPEDS OP t1_j2bs5qs wrote

The more lanes, the more congestion , or the more lanes, the less people, and therefore less city…

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