Submitted by Snoo-27930 t3_zo10ad in nyc
G2046H t1_j0n6ecr wrote
They need some more enforcement happening in these shelters. They only come, after something goes wrong.
a87k t1_j0nhbro wrote
The NYPD used to do warrant sweeps in shelters. City council said that was inhumane.
The Dept of Homeless services used to put peace officers in some non city run sites. They have since receded. I think the unarmed DHS police (legitimate peace officers) should be in every shelter. To provide security for clients and for staff.
G2046H t1_j0nwbbm wrote
Oh really? I didn’t know that. I totally agree. They need to do more, in terms of keeping everyone safe. It’s really sad that some people’s lives are deemed less worthy and therefore, they need less protection.
30roadwarrior t1_j0ogihu wrote
No the extreme left finds protection invasive and worse than the chaos at the shelters.
G2046H t1_j0oh6oc wrote
Well, not everyone is on the extreme left.
Turbulent_Link1738 t1_j0o0hgx wrote
Well, enforcing a crime before it occurs has historically never been taken well.
That’s a recipe for major headlines on police brutality on innocent homeless people.
parendotparen t1_j0pxyrm wrote
The attacker is 42. Totally possible that it’s a psychotic break. In this city, though, just as likely there are things she did that were never reported or tried in court that might have warranted prison time or time in psychiatric care. If so, then this may have not happened.
G2046H t1_j0o1j28 wrote
If that’s the case, then maybe they could bring in more security. It doesn’t have to be the police. The residents of these shelters, need more protection.
30roadwarrior t1_j0ogtl8 wrote
How exactly? People have cried out they don’t want cops in these situations, in their homes/shelters, don’t stop or frisk anyone, drug use decriminalized so that lovely crack smell is something you should ignore along with the discarded needles. Everyone is gleefully excited over casinos and legalized drug use. Whole city has gone cray, lol.
G2046H t1_j0ohb5s wrote
OK, so do you have a better solution in mind?
30roadwarrior t1_j0oicsv wrote
Yes, it’s called enactment of agreed upon rules, we’ll call them laws. And we can have penalties when people break them and send people to jail. Except now everyone said that’s not nice so we have to coexist with people who are ok with stabbing each other.
Shelters should have cops assigned, no drug use permitted, warrant checks and cameras. Pretty simple actually.
G2046H t1_j0oiyqq wrote
If you read my initial comment, then this is the same solution that I originally had. 🤷🏻♀️
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0q1lz0 wrote
Private security (either a contractor or off-duty NYPD) is very expensive, especially when you're talking about hiring a contractor for a high-risk detail like a homeless shelter.
Any attempt at NYPD presence in a formal capacity at these shelters is always met with aggressive activist pushback, so official shelter patrols aren't going to happen anytime soon.
You could increase unarmed security or boost staff, both of which costs money and who would just end up calling NYPD if/when shit gets violent.
G2046H t1_j0q2ij8 wrote
So, some idiot was bullying me yesterday on another post, here on this sub, about how he believes that using taxpayer money to prevent people from stealing his coffee at Starbucks, is money very well spent. How about this city make Starbucks pay for that and then spend our money on helping their citizens, in a real way? Like, preventing women from getting stabbed to death? Does that sound like a good idea?
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0qdnnv wrote
>about how he believes that using taxpayer money to prevent people from stealing coffee at Starbucks, is money well spent
What "taxpayer money" is used to prevent coffee order theft from Starbucks?
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>How about this city make Starbucks pay for that and then spend our money on helping their citizens, in a real way?
Starbucks does pay for it.
They eat the cost of any theft at their stores (and pass it onto customers by raising prices) and if you see NYPD working security @ a Starbucks (or any other business), that is privately paid for by the company.
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>Like, preventing people from getting stabbed to death? Does that sound like a good idea?
Involuntary inpatient holds for clearly unhinged people would segregate them from the broader homeless population and prevent stabbings, but there are people very much opposed to it.
More security, either private contractors or NYPD, at shelters would also help, but again, the same people are very much opposed to police presence in shelters.
G2046H t1_j0qeqye wrote
Read the post with the article about the city trying to help billion-dollar corporations from shoplifting loss, and then also say that they can’t afford help the “little people”.
If you have a better solution, then I would love to hear it. Otherwise, it sounds like you’re saying that if innocent civilians get murdered, then “Oh well.”. I’m listening.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0qp9n2 wrote
>Read the post with the article about the city trying to help billion-dollar corporations from shoplifting loss, and then also say that they can’t afford help the “little people”.
Going after serial shoplifting and improving shelters are not mutually exclusive.
89% of NYC businesses have less than 20 employees AKA "the little people", and they will also benefit from NYC's efforts to curb serial shoplifting.
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>Otherwise, it sounds like you’re saying that if innocent civilians get murdered, then “Oh well.”. I’m listening.
No, I'm saying boosting security/NYPD at shelters and screening out dangerous people makes them safer options for homeless New Yorkers seeking refuge.
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LOL @ u/G2046H blocking me after being incapable of having an answer to my suggestion of more security (including NYPD) @ NYC shelters.
Then again, this is someone who thinks coffee theft is somehow impeding shelters getting more resources, so u/G2046H was never capable of putting together a coherent perspective on this matter.
G2046H t1_j0qsg7w wrote
Dude, you don’t have a leg to stand on anymore. You are just embarrassing yourself at this point. Also, maybe try bringing solutions to the table, next time. Instead of just standing there like a whiny, little elitist and critiquing others for their’s. That literally serves no purpose. You need to try harder.
Whatever, it’s Sunday. I have better things to do with my time, than continue on with this low-level debate, with a total stranger. I’m sorry that you are so bothered. Try and chill out. OK?
Have a great day :)
Zay93 t1_j0o5cxn wrote
They only come when the body drop then leave
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