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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0lhcwf wrote

And this subreddit is wondering why the homeless aren’t flocking to the shelter system.

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Unfair t1_j0m0q14 wrote

you can be stabbed on the street too

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Grass8989 t1_j0n5aln wrote

These same people are championing “housing first” for the people who create dangerous environments in shelters. Would you want the person who stabbed this woman as your neighbor?

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0n6xfu wrote

I’d want them to get the care they needed. Wouldn’t you? Preventing violence requires investing in shelter, education, and housing.

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Grass8989 t1_j0n7c70 wrote

Many homeless people are addicts, which is why they ended up homeless in the first place. There’s a reason why their family doesn’t want them staying with them. If you violently assault someone in a homeless shelter you should have the book thrown at you.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0n7nzb wrote

I agree crime should be prosecuted. No one argued otherwise. Addiction is a treatable disease too.

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Grass8989 t1_j0n7sg8 wrote

Not everyone wants to get clean tho, we can’t allow those people to destroy society.

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shotpun t1_j0nabu6 wrote

Have you ever stopped and thought about why the united states so consistently and so obviously has way more of "these people" than most other places in the world? We have been consistently trying to throw the book at crime since the 1980s if not the 1880s. We have consistently failed to reduce crime in the long term. Crime can be stitched up by police and justice systems but it can be prevented by socioeconomic prosperity for those most vulnerable to cycles of crime. When do we finally realize that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? We can do both.

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seejordan3 t1_j0mq6h6 wrote

And since when has Ruperts Rag ever cared about a homeless woman? This is a tragedy and sad. But not news. It's fuel in the Adams forced hospitalization crap.

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uncle_troy_fall_97 t1_j0nilt2 wrote

  1. I’ve got complicated feelings about the Post—including a total lack of patience for the times when they play fast and loose with the facts, for instance—but they actually report these stories (and lots of other stories too), so I don’t see how you can say they “don’t care”. At this point most cities don’t even have a decent newspaper, so I’m grateful to have the Post and the Daily News in addition to the various little local Queens papers I read every week. It’s not that hard to filter out the tabloidese from a Post story, read it with a skeptical eye, and then you’re left with an actual news story. I know people who work there (and a couple of people who used to), and despite their contempt for Murdoch’s politics, they’ll admit that it’s an actual newspaper. A tabloid, sure, but a tabloid newspaper.

  2. I don’t see what this has to do with the involuntary-hospitalization thing. That program, at least as I understand it, is for people who are severely mentally ill and living on the streets and in the subways and so on, not for women living in shelters who commit crimes. I don’t see the link between the two things.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j0q2b47 wrote

A murder in a homeless shelter is objectively newsworthy, esp. since it overlaps the issues of homelessness, the shelter crisis, and violent crime in this city.

Murders in NYC are routinely covered by every local news outlet in the city.

Why is it suddenly not newsworthy if a murder occurs at a homeless shelter?

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seejordan3 t1_j0q3tbz wrote

Its about the where and why its being reported. Its not about this woman who was murdered, its a hammer on a wedge, that creates anxiety, anger, hatred, and fear. The Post is USING this woman to sell crap. And that to me is despicable. Compare the tone of the Post to CBS's report for instance. Notice the caustic tone over at The Post?
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/woman-stabbed-to-death-at-project-renewal-shelter-in-manhattan/

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j0q5a6m wrote

>Its about the where and why its being reported

It is reported in a local paper (where) because it is a newsworthy event (why).

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>Its not about this woman who was murdered, its a hammer on a wedge, that creates anxiety, anger, hatred, and fear.

Hatred, anger, anxiety, and fear is what shelter residents experience when there is a shelter murder.

That isn't because of The Post reporting on the story. It is because someone got murdered.

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>The Post is USING this woman to sell crap. And that to me is despicable.

Do you think The Post is the only paper that uses stories "to sell crap"?

Do you also find it "despicable" when papers like Gothamist, NYDN, NYT, WaPo, etc. use stories to sell crap and push agendas? Or is it selective outrage?

Because buddy, this is hardly exclusive to a single NYC tabloid. It is the lifeblood of American media.

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>Notice the caustic tone over at The Post?

How does The Post's story have a "caustic tone"?

The entire article is 6 sentences long, and written in the style of a news wire where it just provides the basic, relevant details of the story.

It doesn't sensationalize anything and there is zero commentary in the article.

Quote the part of the article you find "caustic".

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seejordan3 t1_j0qbzd5 wrote

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I used caustic because everything at The Post is caustic (and will never read it, so yes, you "caught me"). And all those news outlets are NOT on my daily reading list. Check out Democracy Now. NY1 is pretty good too. NY1 chose not to cover this, nor did Democracy Now.

The Post uses these "news" (not news) stories to appear like a "news" outlet. Something happens that furthers their agenda, and they'll put it in (divisive fear mongering tabloid peppered with some reporting). I know reporters there, and have been quoted in articles at The Post.

I'll always call out the toxic news. The Post is just the best at it. Back to the world cup

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DifficultyNext7666 t1_j0nfm1h wrote

Flip side people on this sub wonder why we arent super cool with the homeless in the streets.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0nhj0h wrote

You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone who says they want people to be homeless or on the streets. The mayors plans so far have been short sighted at best.

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Turbulent_Link1738 t1_j0o040o wrote

How do you segregate potentially violent people? Put them with themselves so when they inevitably kill each other you can just handwave it off by saying they were already violent? I’m not saying this as a gotcha, it’s just that the city is not equipped to deal with permanently violent people.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0peb6z wrote

The country isn’t equipped for it. If we can’t medically treat people to the point where they’re functional, long term care is needed. We simply don’t have those facilities. Investment is necessary but the financial will to help them is not. Prison isn’t the place for mentally disturbed individuals.

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Dichotopotamus t1_j0nh4b1 wrote

No I'm wondering why the mayor's office for multiple administration's doesn't fix the shelter system. This is a can kicked down the road by every mayor.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0nh8tc wrote

Because it’s expensive and there’s no will to help these people.

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Dichotopotamus t1_j0oel15 wrote

There are many other much more expensive social issues having limitless funding poured into them.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_j0pdxnq wrote

Not really. If you want to stop violence and bring people out of poverty we’ll need housing, education, and health care. How we get these things is a debate but we can all agree we lack them.

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