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simeonbachos t1_j25icrt wrote

All those tough-on-crime bloodthirsty demons never have shit to say about this

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PandaJ108 t1_j25qzxa wrote

Last I check most street safety advocates demand better infrastructure instead of arresting drivers because the latter contributes to the “prison state”.

But suspended drivers who cause a fatal accident should do time in prison. People who leave the scene of an accident should do time. Licensed individuals who stay at the scene, i think that should be handled civilly.

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Die-Nacht t1_j28vt0r wrote

> the latter contributes to the “prison state”.

That's not why (though that's a good point). The reason is because we believe in solving the problem at it's root, not just punishing ppl who normally are just reacting to the design of the street.

You can't have a wide, straight street and then not expect speeders.

> But suspended drivers who cause a fatal accident should do time in prison. People who leave the scene of an accident should do time.

I've never met anyone who has said that those ppl shouldn't do time. At that point, we're out of the street design convo. It is obviously criminal.

> Licensed individuals who stay at the scene, i think that should be handled civilly.

And there lies the problem. Most crashes are NOT criminally intended. They are just a random person who was a bit too sleepy or wasn't paying attention. That's where street design comes in: it force that person, who's not paying attention, to slow down. Additionally, reduce demand for that person to even be driving by providing alternatives (bus lanes, bike lanes, etc).

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Halfhand84 t1_j28n8tb wrote

Strongly agree. A motor vehicle is a 1 ton+ hunk of metal moving at potentially deadly speed. People need to respect the responsibility that entails. Far too many don't.

Anyway r/fuckcars

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Captaintripps t1_j292jcs wrote

Crime aficionados do not consider this crime a crime. They don’t consider wage theft a crime. They don’t consider breaking housing law to be a crime. They don’t talk about any of this. They don’t actually care about crime.

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Jack_Sandwich t1_j274lys wrote

Pretty weird dunk attempt. Both rates are disturbingly high. I would be trying to take a victory lap because there are more preventable deaths in one category versus another.

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downonthesecond t1_j25zvpy wrote

Is there a difference between accidental traffic deaths and intentional shooting deaths?

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simeonbachos t1_j263fzv wrote

In a way, no: dead is dead. But random traffic violence is much more likely than the forms of random violence that Manhattan Institute types write op eds about. As a resident with no beef and a spouse that doesn’t own a gun, in much more likely to be hurt by a car than some other criminal

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HashtagDadWatts t1_j28tnnn wrote

Not all traffic deaths are accidental. Many of them are caused by negligent or reckless driving that goes unpunished.

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casicua t1_j271ijr wrote

Yes. Next stupid question, please.

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