Silver-Hat175 t1_izbnvp5 wrote
Reply to comment by werdnak84 in Trump Says New York ‘Hard Place To Be A Trump’ After Company Convicted Of Tax Fraud by newzee1
Well, nobody should be telling anyone where they are welcome, unless you like going back to segregation mentalities hanging signs on a business who is or is not welcome. Or protesting school integration and busing. If Trump thinks he can break the law and live in NYC he is mistaken. But telling somebody they are "not welcome" makes you sound like a bigot or a fascist. Those are the only people who think its okay to decide they own something or someone enough to tell what others can do. Don't be a terrible person or else it may come back to you when you least expect it.
iStealyournewspapers t1_izcyji8 wrote
Christ dude, we’re talking about one massive piece of shit rapist douche bag here. We’re not about to start segregating wealthy businessmen from the population. They do that by themselves anyway.
delinquentfatcat t1_izd2cuo wrote
If Trump is all of these things, he should be tried, convicted and sentenced for it (and this is already happening). However, persecution of people we don't like by arbitrary decree is never okay in a democracy. Such a mentality leads to witch hunts and lynch mobs.
iStealyournewspapers t1_izd3czx wrote
Such a mentality can, but in this case we all know he’s a total piece of shit that’s fucked up or ruined a ridiculous amount of decent people’s lives, and he’s a proven con man. It’s like saying OJ wasn’t proven guilty so we should give him a pass when we all know he did it. I’m not saying we go after him or Trump w pitchforks, but we can still treat them like the garbage humans they are.
delinquentfatcat t1_izd5ajd wrote
I don't disagree with you about Trump. However, "we all know" is one of the most dangerous phrases ever spoken (no accident that Trump uses it often). We = the mob, which can be wrong and often is.
The case of OJ was probably a miscarriage of justice, but the case was tainted by a detective shown to have bias against black people. For this reason alone, many would not sign off under "we all know" and he was acquitted.
Another example is Kyle Rittenhouse. Slandered as a white supremacist by President Biden and the entire left-leaning press, expelled from uni, received death threats etc. because of what supposedly "everyone knew", until eventually cleared of all charges and mischaracterizations based on extensive evidence.
iStealyournewspapers t1_izd76ye wrote
Yeah you’re not wrong about any of this, and a measured mind like yours is definitely what this country could use more of. Fuck Rittenhouse too though. He still had no business showing up at that scene with a gun from out of state. And it’s not like he’s shown himself to be an especially decent human even with the trial’s outcome. Mark my words we’ll be hearing seeing some new bad shit from him in the years to come.
delinquentfatcat t1_izdbdb8 wrote
The story about the gun being out of state is yet another myth that was debunked in court:
https://www.insider.com/6-myths-surrounding-the-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-debunked-2021-11
As for him having "no business" showing up, this happened at a time when the authorities refused to protect public safety, throwing small business owners and employees under the bus. But yes, after all the trauma and being unpersoned by half the country, he could end up in the company of legit extremists. If this happens, it will be yet another sad outcome.
iStealyournewspapers t1_izdgiof wrote
Oh I didn’t mean he illegally brought the gun, just that he came from out of state (with a gun).
delinquentfatcat t1_izdkk8e wrote
This is also incorrect, his gun was already in Wisconsin. He lived next to the state boundary -- an accident of geography. We're not North Korea and you're allowed to visit your friend 20 miles away, even if that happens to be another state. Mentioning the state border serves no purpose here, other than making him sound nefarious for no legitimate reason.
I initially thought Rittenhouse is a villain. This story is exactly why I don't trust the public and the media to decide who is bad and who isn't.
delinquentfatcat t1_izd1f2y wrote
Some hateful downvotes. As much as Trump is a cancer, it's still wrong for a governor (and an egregious misuse of his authority) to declare who can visit the state that elected him and be granted basic police protection.
Arguments "but he's bad!" fall apart once society goes on a witch hunt, and we've seen this many times before. The courts should deal with the bad, not the mob.
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