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NetQuarterLatte t1_iz5zz6y wrote

Reply to comment by ViennettaLurker in Adams says mental illness leads to crime by DrogDrill

Cops save lives though. Deterrence is a lot better than incarceration.

>Williams and his colleagues find adding a new police officer to a city prevents between 0.06 and 0.1 homicides. [...] Adding more police, they find, also reduces other serious crimes, like robbery, rape, and aggravated assault.
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>Even more, Williams and his coauthors find that, in the average city, larger police forces result in Black lives saved at about twice the rate of white lives saved (relative to their percentage of the population). When you consider African Americans are much more likely to live in dense, poverty-stricken areas with high homicide rates — leading to more opportunities for police officers to potentially prevent victimization — that may help explain this finding.
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>While they find serious crimes fall after the average city expands its police force, the economists find that arrests for serious crimes also fall. The simultaneous reduction of both serious crime and arrests for serious crime suggests it's not arrests that are driving the reduction. Instead, it suggests merely having more police officers around drives it. These findings are consistent with other research that finds concentrating police in "hotspot" crime areas appears to be an effective way to reduce crime.

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oddfuture t1_iz6a0oj wrote

Interesting of you to highlight that in your post and then not include this from the paper's abstract: "larger police forces make more arrests for low-level “quality-of-life” offenses, with effects that imply a disproportionate burden for Black Americans."

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NetQuarterLatte t1_iz6cyqv wrote

Like we all know that assigning a full white police force to police a black community is not a good recipe.

That's why it's important when cops represent the demographics of the communities they serve. This used to be what the progressive agenda advocated for.

But now we have this new brand of "progressiveness" that just want to defund the police or even go against police training to reduce brutality.

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_iz7407f wrote

> But now we have this new brand of "progressiveness" that just want to defund the police or even go against police training to reduce brutality.

[citation needed]

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NetQuarterLatte t1_iz7elkx wrote

For example, AOC voting against the Invest to Protect Act that proposed funding for de-escalation training for police departments.

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022451

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oddfuture t1_iz6e63i wrote

Your comment is reductive and does not address the point I raised. The paper does not make any mention of representation within police forces.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_iz6ieac wrote

They do mention the issues of increasing policing in cities with large Black populations in the south and the mid-west.

Maybe they didn't mention anything about the representation of the police force explicitly (and perhaps will be a subject of follow up studies), but I think you know how the police force in those regions look like.

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ViennettaLurker t1_iz62b82 wrote

Living leads to crime. Fear of death leads to crime. Crime leads to crime.

Cops. Cops on cops. Never not cops. The crowding continues as cops increasingly have no space to move, pushing each other into the cop streets and jamming up the cop avenues. What is the solution? The brightest cops are put on the case.

After the discovery that the answer to every mathematical equation is "cops", a new field of cop science emerges. A deputized electron microscope aids in the creation of micro-cop technology to address the cop on cop crowding. As cops copulate with other cops to birth baby cops, micro cops fill the gaps between them. The previously understood limit of overall cop density is turned on its head. While human scale cops are jammed shoulder to shoulder and elbow to elbow, micro cops swarm around their waists and between their legs.

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