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someone_whoisthat t1_j0xgugz wrote
Other states do not guarantee free housing to migrants. NYS does, but that's by choice.
I don't see why federal funds should go to towards paying for elective services.
ofxemp t1_j0xh359 wrote
If that’s the case, then that’s fair. Just a bad policy
[deleted] t1_j0xjny1 wrote
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marty_eraser t1_j0xmz15 wrote
Or maybe the government should enforce the law and have them sent back.
OutrageousAd5338 t1_j0xo7l6 wrote
Mayor do your freaking job and send them to less populated city and ask government for help!!!! What are you good for except photo ops!
the_lamou t1_j0xz9jd wrote
They do enforce the law — these are all legal migrants who are in the US legally.
NewYorker0 t1_j0y4on8 wrote
Immigration is a federal issue and the city simply doesn’t have the money to assist thousands of asylum seekers out of nowhere whilst getting no federal fund. I’m getting more frustrated everyday because we pay 30-40% taxes in total and for what? Mediocre government service.
behindtheclouds t1_j0ydg7n wrote
Oh, is that so? 😂😂
Candid_Indication_45 t1_j0yh5e6 wrote
Now y’all start caring about how many come across the boarder. It is not a trivial amount and Americans (of course only the lowest earners) will suffer for it.
nWo_Savage t1_j0yltoj wrote
it aint gunna hurt his pockets so he's in the clear thank god a politican is able to keep his money oh praise the lord god is good
mak1028summet t1_j0ymwvi wrote
This is what the majority supposedly voted for. No surprise here
darkknight915 t1_j0yn8vz wrote
Reap what you sow, every dem politician wanted to proudly boast how we’re a sanctuary state now deal with the consequences.
Status_Fox_1474 t1_j0yoxen wrote
Remember that the NYPD gets paid first. Always. Think about that before you worry about who's getting what, and how much more the NYPD needs for this.
Grass8989 t1_j0ysul9 wrote
Irrelevant to NYC tax payers supporting migrants.
603er t1_j0yti79 wrote
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j0yu5je wrote
Gee you sound like a genuine Trump-voting Texan. I wish I could somehow take these comments back to 2017 and show people.
Status_Fox_1474 t1_j0yukg5 wrote
But there's a lot of money for basic services if you know where you can safely cut. Also, just note that when he gets more unpopular, he'll scapegoat immigrants even more, despite the fact that immigrants (legal and illegal alike) are literally making the city run.
bklynzboy t1_j0yy0nc wrote
Well you aren't a bright detective because Trump is a piece of shit. Never had my vote... But again migrants aren't a priority over native tax payers...
bklynzboy t1_j0yy4dx wrote
You have people trying do things legally and than you have people who come illegally and pretty much skip the line... Get housing, benefits etc
MeatballMadness t1_j0z2bhb wrote
Why shouldn't city and state dollars be used? Rhetoric from NYC politicians and city policies over the years have 100% encouraged people to cross the border into the US.
donttouchthirdrail t1_j0z41eg wrote
It’s not policy, it a constitutional right in the state of New York
dust1990 t1_j0zadoy wrote
Not exactly. They made an asylum claim and there is a backlog because of the surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims. Asylum isn’t a social program for poor migrants. But people use it that way and many make false claims. The government can’t keep up with the volume.
the_lamou t1_j0zb7pi wrote
That was a very short sentence that should have been relatively easy to parse even for the mouth-breathiest of mouth-breathers. Every one of these bussed migrants is here legally.
Maybe learn what the law actually is and what's happening before mouthing off like a cretin?
the_lamou t1_j0zc37f wrote
>They made an asylum claim and there is a backlog because of the surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims.
No, there's been a backlog because the asylum adjudication system has been intentionally and systematically underfunded by Republicans for decades, while a series of geopolitical events have increased recent refugee migration. Not because there's a "surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims."
But regardless of what kind of idiotic, ignorant opinion you might have on the validity of anyone's asylum claim, the law is extremely clear — asylum seekers are in the country legally, explicitly so, until such a time as they are officially ruled to not have a valid claim. Period.
603er t1_j0zd0vf wrote
Imagine taking Reddit seriously
Sk8ngWST t1_j0zgk7h wrote
The corruption loves this, corrupt border officials, coyotes, non profits org and employers that will replace workers with them to pay less than min wage
BlkMysterion t1_j0zkq3y wrote
As a native, I'm glad I moved. Not because of him, politicians follow the paper trail. Can't blame them so much as the big shot lining their pockets as with big tech to govt
dust1990 t1_j0zmjeb wrote
Maybe so. But why would you increase funding for something, where there is known rampant fraud and create a feedback loop? One fix would be to increase disincentives to discourage blatant fraud, like fines or permanent bans. Then the people with real claims wouldn’t have to wait so long for adjudication.
This is a classic case of the majority ruining it for the few (the people with legitimate cases of religious or political persecution).
1600hazenstreet t1_j0zovp7 wrote
He’ll be posting job opening for migration czar with annually salary of $250k / year with benefits.
the_lamou t1_j0zucbk wrote
>But why would you increase funding for something, where there is known rampant fraud and create a feedback loop?
Because despite your repeated and entirely unfounded claims, there is not rampant fraud in the asylum program. And what fraud is present tends to come not from the poor folks fleeing economic and climate disaster in Central and South America on foot, but rather from the relatively wealthy immigrants who fly in to major airports and use the asylum system to get around the broken immigration system.
Or to put it another way, how "fraudulent" do you think a refugee's story is if they spend months literally walking through the jungle along one of the most dangerous human migratory pathways in the world in order to get asylum? Their claim may ultimately get rejected because the asylum system is also horribly broken (I know, I went through it!) but the fact that they get denied on a technically does not change the fact that they are fleeing something so terrible that they are willing to risk a horrible death over thousands of miles of grueling terrain to escape it. And it's our responsibility to help them because at the end of the day, Latin America is largely in the state it's in because the US fucked it badly and repeatedly over the last 100 years.
GoldenBased t1_j0zw9qt wrote
Nys guarantees housing to anybody without housing, just happens to include migrants here
Crimsonwolf1445 t1_j0zzkpo wrote
Yes he welcomes them….until they cross all those states in between us and the border and are actually here to take us up on the empty gesture
dust1990 t1_j100wcb wrote
Walking through the jungle sounds horrific. And the people who choose to do that must be in desperate circumstances. But the test for asylum isn’t being in desperate circumstances. It is actual or fear of persecution. It’s a high bar, but that is the law. It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
the_lamou t1_j104xxm wrote
>It is actual or fear of persecution.
Eh, sort of but not really. But close enough. My point, though, isn't that all of these people are fleeing persecution. My point is that they are not defrauding the system, they just fail to understand a nuanced and technical but if administrative law. Making a mistake isn't the same thing as fraud.
>It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
This is just completely incorrect, as there are tons of things that can happen that increase the number of valid asylum seekers. And, in fact, we've actually seen several of those things happen in the last couple of years: Venezuela's economic collapse which led to protests and then a serious crackdown on protesters and activists, El Salvador's dudebro president going to war against the press and political opposition, political violence in Brazil (though hopefully that's calming down now.)
And this is validated because the makeup of refugees has actually shifted — a lot of the ones involved in the current migration waves are Venezuelan and El Salvadorian.
dust1990 t1_j105s8t wrote
If some human trafficker tells you to make up a story that’s not true and you use that story you don’t exactly have clean hands. There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching. If that’s not fraud, what is?
HangerSteak1 t1_j106qc4 wrote
In a city larger than many states? How about you just put a migrant tax on all rich people (over $100k annual)?
the_lamou t1_j107iry wrote
No, if a human traffickers tells you to make up a story, it's not on you, because the important thing about human trafficking is that it's involuntary.
>There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching.
Yes, it's called "immigration law." Do you also call criminal lawyers "crime coaching?"
LOVE2FUKWITHPP t1_j108gcc wrote
NYC STOP
OPEN YOUR DOORS AND ALLOW MORE IN!!!
Some of ya New Yorkers are Spoiled !!! In ya canada ghoose jackets and paying 2k rent
Ya have more than enough resources
All these migrants needs is more shelter and boosted food stamps with cash assistance!!!!!!
dust1990 t1_j10a1hp wrote
A lawyer that coaches a client to lie to an Immigration officer or an ALJ is subject to sanctions, ethics violations or disbarment.
IronManFolgore t1_j10a9m0 wrote
>I’m getting more frustrated everyday because we pay 30-40% taxes in total and for what?
More cops on train platforms playing candy crush
dust1990 t1_j10b2yo wrote
Look it’s a clear you want to rubber stamp all of these migrants to grant them asylum. That’s your right to have that political opinion. But you should know that’s a horrible policy. There’s billions in this world who live in or near poverty that would jump at the chance for us citizenship. It’s a horrible policy to just let anyone in that wants to because it’s unrealistic and unfair to the people who wait sometimes decades following the legal immigration route.
Nikolllllll t1_j10cujn wrote
That's cause illegal immigrants are kept housed and not allowed to work and dependant on the government for their needs.
Edit: I don't see why the downvotes. The government doesn't allow asylum seekers to work so they are dependent on the government and their families.
Any_Foundation_9034 t1_j10gamf wrote
That’s what happens when you are a “Sanctuary“ city and state.
Dunno why any of these elected ppl are surprised By any of this. Voters and tax payers certainly aren’t as we knew the implications.
CarlCarbonite t1_j10m8rd wrote
I think Eric Adams should spend a week living in one of his own shelters
sanjsrik t1_j10rn7g wrote
Well, how would he get the hookers in then?
kisalaya89 t1_j10yn98 wrote
It's so easy to suggest take someone else's money and give it to someone else....How about make it voluntary 'adopt a migrant' scheme: If you support more of them in the city, adopt them, take care of them, pay for them etc.....basically put the money where the mouth is. And you get a tax credit.
Jimmy_kong253 t1_j11cgtx wrote
The bad part is the right to shelter rule isn't a citizenship only rule
bklynzboy t1_j11gg83 wrote
Well nah I'm a born and raised New Yorker with common sense... This is why I can't be a Trump Supporter... Enter any country in the world and they will send you back... It's not just something Americans or Trump supporters made up... You can't enter any country without the proper papers...
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Nikolllllll t1_j11ha44 wrote
I see I'm not speaking to a reasonable person. My bad.
ejpusa t1_j11r1eb wrote
Conversations usually go like this:
Friends: Oh this is just insane, they are taking our limited resources, costing tax payers a mint, send them all back! What else can we do?
Me: Well what happens if they are, tall blonds (F) from Norway, they don't speak English, limited skills, and zero cash, how does that change your view of the situation?
BRING THEM IN, BY THE PLANELOADS if we can!
One of those illuminating conversations. :-)
Therealdirtyburdie t1_j11urjg wrote
SMH. Isn’t that the actual issue of letting millions of migrants into the country with no plan and no place to put them??
bklynzboy t1_j11w3ja wrote
Who me? I'm not giving you all the down votes lol
bklynzboy t1_j11wc3o wrote
They're not allowed to work on the books legally. But most work. Most places rather pay them low pay then to pay somebody legal with papers more money. So yes most of them work off the books on top of collecting the benefits from the city and government
SmartExcitement7271 t1_j1256e0 wrote
Hey man you got my vote! Send the tall single female blondes in lmao
araararagi-san t1_j12rlhd wrote
which can still be repealed
araararagi-san t1_j12rnc0 wrote
sanctuary cities finally get their karma
osthentic t1_j13egdu wrote
Right to shelter is a blessing in disguise for New York. It allows the government to get a pass and tear down encampments. NY housing 95% of the homeless every night is the reason why New York doesn’t look like SF, LA, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, etc., even with the largest homeless population.
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j13fui7 wrote
..but won't with a supermajority.
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j13g0r3 wrote
"Defund" was not a winning political platform this time around. Sorry.
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j13g7mg wrote
What do you propose should be done?
The fact is the system can't handle the, resources are limited, and basic services are threatened. How you respond or think we should is in question. So let's hear it.
ShadownetZero t1_j13ig4n wrote
That's kind of the point. Texas and Florida are keeping their Federal funds but pushing off the costs to other states.
Reallocate and we'll be happy to take them.
GassyGargoyle t1_j14vy8r wrote
You think making over 100k is being “rich” in NYC?
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araararagi-san t1_j1c6rgy wrote
that still makes it policy
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