dust1990 t1_j100wcb wrote
Reply to comment by the_lamou in Adams warns migrant flood will impact NYC’s safety and ‘basic services’ by NYY657545
Walking through the jungle sounds horrific. And the people who choose to do that must be in desperate circumstances. But the test for asylum isn’t being in desperate circumstances. It is actual or fear of persecution. It’s a high bar, but that is the law. It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
the_lamou t1_j104xxm wrote
>It is actual or fear of persecution.
Eh, sort of but not really. But close enough. My point, though, isn't that all of these people are fleeing persecution. My point is that they are not defrauding the system, they just fail to understand a nuanced and technical but if administrative law. Making a mistake isn't the same thing as fraud.
>It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
This is just completely incorrect, as there are tons of things that can happen that increase the number of valid asylum seekers. And, in fact, we've actually seen several of those things happen in the last couple of years: Venezuela's economic collapse which led to protests and then a serious crackdown on protesters and activists, El Salvador's dudebro president going to war against the press and political opposition, political violence in Brazil (though hopefully that's calming down now.)
And this is validated because the makeup of refugees has actually shifted — a lot of the ones involved in the current migration waves are Venezuelan and El Salvadorian.
dust1990 t1_j105s8t wrote
If some human trafficker tells you to make up a story that’s not true and you use that story you don’t exactly have clean hands. There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching. If that’s not fraud, what is?
the_lamou t1_j107iry wrote
No, if a human traffickers tells you to make up a story, it's not on you, because the important thing about human trafficking is that it's involuntary.
>There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching.
Yes, it's called "immigration law." Do you also call criminal lawyers "crime coaching?"
dust1990 t1_j10b2yo wrote
Look it’s a clear you want to rubber stamp all of these migrants to grant them asylum. That’s your right to have that political opinion. But you should know that’s a horrible policy. There’s billions in this world who live in or near poverty that would jump at the chance for us citizenship. It’s a horrible policy to just let anyone in that wants to because it’s unrealistic and unfair to the people who wait sometimes decades following the legal immigration route.
dust1990 t1_j10a1hp wrote
A lawyer that coaches a client to lie to an Immigration officer or an ALJ is subject to sanctions, ethics violations or disbarment.
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