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Designer-Election-94 t1_j0tcgq1 wrote

You had to leave your home office to take a flight, while we were doing compressions wrapped garbage bags for ppe. You want sympathy, really dude?

The only hospital employees that come close to fitting your description of having more education and less pay are pharmacists. They make more, not much more, but more, and it’s also not enough. The pay difference is due to them sitting in air conditioned rooms and sticking labels on zip lock bags while we are flipping dying obese patients to wipe their asses.

What other health care job requires both education, constant certification and physical labor? Honestly can’t think of any job in or out of healthcare that requires both in such quantities.

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jeremiadOtiose t1_j0tkg0j wrote

for one example, PT and OT makes a lot less than RNs. they also tend to have doctorates. RNs still have ten years (or is it five?) before they are required to have a bachelors degree, as of now they can still work with a 2 year degree.

also typically it's the aides that "wipe asses", not RNs.

i may agree with you, but i don't think disinformation helps.

RNs in the city make twice as much as RNs upstate (and those RNs have pt loads half what NYC nurses have).

I think nurses should get a raise. Right along with everybody else in the hospital.

I don't think cheap theatrics are appropriate, or charged language.

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I have spent my career in Boston and Manhattan hospitals and frankly, healthcare is done better in Boston. Much, much better. And yes the nurses do a much better job there, too. I do think the nurses unions can be a detriment to pt care sometimes. That said, I hope nurses get a ~10% raise. Then maybe residents can get one next, they really need it. I'm an attending, I've seen effective pay decreases.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j0ucd0h wrote

The residents are unionized at many hospitals in NYC. They don't fight as hard and they aren't as organized tbh. They are SEIU members and SEIU is more about making nice with the boss. For example they settled their contract at Westchester Medical Center for like 3% and 4% a year while the nurses got 8% and 6%. And that is in a facility where it's illegal for anyone to strike because it's public sector.

All the unions that play nice expecting payback from the boss are having a hard time right now. All the hard core unions like the nurses are having a better year bargaining.

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Designer-Election-94 t1_j0v4jtv wrote

Can’t work in a hospital without a bachelors at least not in NYC. There are some 30 year veterans who are grandfathered in but none hired in at least 10 years.

OT is a master’s - they and pt’s make very nearly the same only a few dollars less than RNs but job is significantly easier. 1 pt at a time sit down chart for 20min take your time walking hall to see next pt.

ICU nurses absolutely wipe ass. 20 icu pts and 1 aide is pretty standard at this point. At least it has been in my experience in 2 different nyc hospitals.

I work with a guy from Boston he says Boston is better for nurses as well.

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NewDevTcg t1_j0tu3qv wrote

I don't have a "home office", I'm an emergency medical professional that is in the field everyday addressing laboratory and hospital needs. You do forget that newspaper headlines and hysteria of 2020 in regards to travel and even in this subreddit. Look up the news in Houston TX for June 2020 and check out their COVID cases, I was there to address those needs except the public thought it was a hoax and carried themselves without any sort of protection. My partner who works for the NY hospitals and covid patients directly is immunocompromised who had quite a high mortality rate prior to vaccines if she contracted COVID based on the published papers from a medical director I worked with at the NY hospitals for patients with her medical condition. I came home and slept on the floor in a different room for a year and half to quarantine myself. Also my travel and work during the COVID peak was usually 14 to 18 hours a day where I wake up at 4 AM and can relax at 8 PM or come home at midnight. my point is to not Garner sympathy. We all have a story about why we need more money for what we do. Part of being a medical professional is to be patient oriented not financially focused. Guess what, that is why we became medical professionals. If you want money, go to finance or work for med devices as a consultant/specialist.

Clinical lab technologists have a graduating class you can count on 2 hands out of only a 4 schools in the NYC area and Suffolk County. Require a NY state license that some applicants from other states do not qualify for, intensive course load, BS degree, and rotations. Clinical social workers require a licensure, Masters degree, internship, and professional clinical hours. Physical therapist requires a doctorate, license, and clinical hours. Speech pathologist requires masters, license, clinical hours, and fellowship. You can include your example of pharmacists They all get paid less in the NY hospitals than nurses. Sure some can get paid more if they elect to work away from the hospitals. And for less educated, paramedics and EMT have an equally as tough, fast paced, and physically laborious job in the front line that do not even get anywhere close to nurses.

The last three statements are why myself and other medical professionals sometimes roll our eyes on these requests. We all do our part in patient care. This is what you signed up for. What happens if those pharmacists working in the AC rooms decide to not all show up Monday? How about all those clinical social workers who elect not to show up to the ER on Monday?

Nurses have the numbers, union, and public awareness. You can shout all you want and receive praise for it.

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Karrick t1_j0ual7d wrote

You can have a union any time you want it, man. They don't form out of thin air.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j0ubnm5 wrote

You aren't doing bedside care. You are just another "consultant" making health care more expensive for the rest of us.

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