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Grass8989 t1_iywmgvc wrote

The Airbnb fad is over. Hotels are back “in style”

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sundaysarelikethat t1_iywnxt7 wrote

Exactly. When i’m on vacation i want to feel pampered, served, relaxed. I’d rather be in an immaculate hotel room thats cleaned daily and has a concierge than pay the exact same price to be at the mercy of some shitty landlord that will charge me $50 for leaving dishes in the sink

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donttouchthirdrail t1_iywoezs wrote

It should definitely help. This just seems to enforcement of existing rules, so we'll see how it actually goes.

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Roll_DM t1_iywpeas wrote

> “It’s the kind of despicable, bureaucratic act that makes me want to move out of this once great city,” commented Aron Watman, who identified himself as an Airbnb host in Brooklyn.

Bye Felicia

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ribrickulous t1_iywpybv wrote

“NYC likely to gain more than 10K apartments under new Airbnb rules.”

Fixed it.

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RedditSkippy t1_iywq4uf wrote

The last time I traveled, I didn’t find Air BnB to be any cheaper than a hotel. We went with the Air BnB because it was located more conveniently to where we needed to be.

Plus there have been so many stories of bad hosts coupled with terrible responses from Air BnB (basically non-responses,) that I’m no longer sure if I would even bother taking the chance. We’re going away next month and chose a hotel. Didn’t even occur to us to look at Air BnB.

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grandlewis t1_iywqe6b wrote

10K apartment dwellers to feel safe again now that random new strangers aren’t staying next door to them 365 days a year.

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Marlsfarp t1_iywtn7g wrote

Whereas I would prefer to have quiet, privacy and access to a kitchen, laundry, etc and stay in an actual neighborhood instead of a central business district, and I see having servants coming in to clean unnecessarily twice a day as an expensive annoyance. And that’s okay too. Neither of us is right, it’s just preferences.

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Tunnelman82 t1_iywuma0 wrote

Fuck airbnb. Charging 90 dollar cleaning fee they can kiss my ass

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ArtisanWinds t1_iywv5t3 wrote

Just like uber to taxis, airbnb ended up more expensive than hotels.

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wh7y t1_iyww6u6 wrote

If you're good with credit cards and Google, you can get so many good deals on hotels and flights. Airbnb has none of those programs. Coupled with terrible fees I wouldn't bother with Airbnb in any American city.

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mrchumblie t1_iywwe31 wrote

Good. Return them back to the market you greedy shits.

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bxivz t1_iywysml wrote

Good it affects the thousands of hotels in the city. That employe even more in hotel staff. Meanwhile airbnb only few seek to earn money.

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m1kasa4ckerman t1_iyx1wdj wrote

Airbnb should be paused in every major city where there’s a housing crisis. Period.

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UpwardlyBland t1_iyx1za6 wrote

Lmao look up his LinkedIn.

> About

>I am not cut out for LinkedIn, that much I know. Yet somehow I keep getting contacted by them, and for some reason I feel obligated to update my profile, endorse friends, etc. I suppose my objective is to make a lot of money and retire young, while I can still do things other than sit in a recliner buying useless items that I see on television and am convinced I need, while at the same time complaining about technology I don't understand.

Fuck this douche

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DeathPercept10n t1_iyx2ggw wrote

Seriously though. A few years ago our neighbours at the time used to do this all the time. One night my gf comes home late and I'm already asleep. She wakes me up cuz she smells a strong gas smell in the hallway. We tried banging on the door but no answer. We called Con Ed and they sent the fire department immediately. They busted down the door and these idiots were passed out drunk with the stove on but no flame. If there was any spark before they came we'd all have died. Thank God those idiot neighbours moved away and now there's been no more random people jeopardizing our home.

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TeamMisha t1_iyx63ty wrote

They ought to just have banned listings, period, that would be simpler and cheaper to enforce because it requires AirBNB to do most of the work and geofence listings out of the region.

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danthefam t1_iyx87rv wrote

The whole ban airbnb discourse is an argument to class transients, temporary workers, students, and interns as less worthy of housing than "long-term" renters. You say the ridiculous NYC rent is due to landlord greed. By that logic were NYC landlords less greedy in 2020 during covid wfh when prices fell dramatically? Rather, it's based on simple supply and demand.

Instead of trying to limit demand, it's much better public policy to increase supply. That way availabilities will go up, prices will fall, and there is room for everyone. NYC has been going through decades of severe underbuilding as well as public policy that increases the cost of new housing. It's time to reverse that trend then the effect of Airbnb will be insignificant.

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sundaysarelikethat t1_iyxaf4i wrote

Yeah i get how entertaining it is to “stay with the locals” to really immerse yourself in the culture but perhaps look into how airbnbs actively displace people in the communities and apartments that you’re staying in during your fun little safari

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AbeWasHereAgain t1_iyxao9y wrote

Unpopular opinion, but I blame tax policies that incentivize investment properties over those that favor homeowners.

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WickershamBrotha t1_iyxbro6 wrote

You’d be surprised on how fair some of the hotels in midtown are priced. If you’re a tourist, you’ll have a better time in a midtown hotel central to everything instead of an Airbnb far away

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JustHereToLurk247 t1_iyxcg2u wrote

A similar thing happened to us! We smelled gas really strongly, my husband ran downstairs to the airbnb unit, banged on the door and helped the guests turn off the gas. They didn’t know they left it on. It could have been bad.

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Icy-Performance-3739 t1_iyxdyyj wrote

Because venture capital big piles of cash allowed uber and airbnb to artificially price their service lower than market for 5 years or so while they shut down competition then they jack the prices back up. Same with Wal mart and etc etc. Corporate raiders. Predatory vulture capitalism

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LouisSeize t1_iyxeoel wrote

I just love the "host" who demanded that customers mow the lawn before checking out.

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rightanglerecording t1_iyxfbj4 wrote

Well, good.

AirBnB is a fine solution when you want to go somewhere in the middle of nowhere that has few/no hotels.

It's silly to have it in a city like NYC where there's an obvious housing supply shortage.

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Dichotopotamus t1_iyxildq wrote

That's not it at all. Competition e.g. hotels and taxis have not disappeared at all. For Airbnb its ludicrously expensive now because property owners need more money post pandemic after shutdowns crushed their income.

For Uber it's simply convenience in metro areas that don't have great public options.

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danthefam t1_iyxjzl4 wrote

For a month long stay, how would you implement policy to distinguish between a European backpacker from a recent college grad looking for temp housing? Or from a recently arrived Ukarnian/Venezuelan migrant? The only way out of a housing shortage is to build more housing, not by limiting demand. Temporary housing has always existed but now is just an easy target for nativist rhetoric.

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bsanchey t1_iyxku8g wrote

I shall pay a tune on the worlds tinniest violin for all the scum bag air bnb unit hoarders. Time to get a real job.

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Professional_Ant_624 t1_iyxn8xx wrote

This is the same as big business (hotels) crushing small business (Airbnb) - people I know we’re using this as a supplement income or started a new business… hotels be on Airbnb too!! #fuckny

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peenomorph t1_iyxnl7l wrote

The appeal of Airbnb’s to me is being able to share a place with friends or family. That’s the only time I’ve used them. Except for places where hotels aren’t commonplace. Like when we go to St. John. But even then, I’ve found that it’s usually cheaper to reach out directly instead of going through Airbnb. Or using Homeaway or VRBO.

Airbnb does not make sense to me for single or couples travels, unless the property is super cool. It certainly doesn’t appeal to me that much in major cities. I’d rather just get a hotel.

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Professional_Ant_624 t1_iyxo0s8 wrote

What there not talking about is all the landlords being fucked over by their current tenants!! Long term tenant don’t take care of a property the same way these short term rentals do…

Why should hotels be the only ones?? When you have people short term staying in areas of NY where most ppl didn’t stay before more money is spent in the local economy- what the fuck are the hotels doing for your local neighborhood????

Airbnbs employ cleaning ppl, local laundry mats, Restaurants, stores, even shitty rite aids

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agpc t1_iyxohbf wrote

Aww, anyways.

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accidentalchai t1_iyxovp6 wrote

They are still okayish in Europe (but still way more expensive than in the past, obviously). I stayed in one in the US in the summer and I was surprised to find a long laundry list of rules, including how I should clean the apartment and bring out the trash (which I would have done anyway) but on top of that a sign saying I should tip (and they were already charging me a $100 cleaning fee). On top of that, they left me a message as soon as I left asking me to leave a review but only if it was for 5 stars and if there was an issue to just please message them privately.

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bkornblith t1_iyxp19w wrote

Sounds like a good start. Ideally they shouldn't even be in NYC, and at the end of they day, they shouldn't exist - airbnb is a cancer.

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NYKyle610 t1_iyxpng3 wrote

FYI, cleaning staff only comes to hotel rooms once per day, and if you’d rather them not come every day (like me), just hang the “do not disturb” sign on your door and they won’t come.

I’ve spent many days at a hotel and don’t need cleaning service every day. I can make my own bed like an adult.

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ZweitenMal t1_iyxsd6g wrote

I don't know, haven't been paying attention that closely.

Making a special permit a requirement doesn't mean it's impossible. But perhaps it's an effort to protect the existing hotels since they've had such a hard time during COVID.

My neighborhood (Astoria) is completely underserved, so that might have something to do with it. Obviously we don't need more hotels in Midtown.

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kuedhel t1_iyxtkaw wrote

It is very risky to rent out apartment in NYC and get paid. It takes 2 years to remove non-paying tenant. Government provides lawyers to the non-paying tenants to stop them from been evicted in court. At this time 86% cases ended up in tenant's favor.

So naturally, landlords consider to rent it out on airbnb by week instead. This creates much less risk.

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DeathPercept10n t1_iyxuoyl wrote

I will. Anyone that uses air bnb can get fucked. Past neighbours used to do it all the time and one time some idiots got drunk and passed out with gas coming out of the unlit stove. If my gf didn't come home late that night and smell the gas, the apartment could've blown up. The fire department had to come and break down the door. So screw anyone that condones the unsafe practices of air bnb. I don't need random dumbasses frequenting where I live and jeopardizing my home.

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Arleare13 t1_iyxw2n7 wrote

Airbnbs of a month or more are permitted in NYC. This law prohibits only short-term rentals of less than a month. So it seems like it satisfies your concerns.

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DeathPercept10n t1_iyxx1f4 wrote

I'll clarify it for you since the context of this whole post seems to elude you... The morons that let the gas leak out were staying at the air bnb my former neighbours used to rent out all the time. I'm glad those guys moved out, cuz I have much more peace of mind from them letting any old idiot stay there and burn down the building.

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JuniorAct7 t1_iyxya6g wrote

Special permits (which exist for a number of other things) are extremely unlikely to be granted by city planning in practice. I agree with you that it was passed due to rent seeking by current hotels.

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sunpalm t1_iyxyzic wrote

If hotels were smart they’d start redesigning their luxury suites into multi-bed/bathroom apartments. Because agreed, if I’m planning a trip with friends, it’s nice to have a shared living room & kitchen while also having my own bedroom to go to at night.

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DeathPercept10n t1_iyxzox8 wrote

People tend to be more careless with stuff that isn't their own. This obviously heightens the chances of something going wrong when some new person is staying next to you every week.

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FourthLife t1_iyy18ac wrote

Airbnb sucks for spending more than a week. The owner doesn’t come clean during your stay, so after a week your bed sheets are nasty and the towels are probably all used multiple times.

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GA5T t1_iyy3nyc wrote

Amen

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tsgram t1_iyy4lw4 wrote

Whatever sympathy I would’ve considered towards airbnb and its “hosts” died when I read they called it: “draconian and unworkable registration system that will prevent lawful and responsible hosts from listing their homes.” Fuck that hyperbolic stupidity. Use apartments as apartments.

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grandlewis t1_iyy67xg wrote

Yes. Many of them are from different countries, and different cultures, and they have no idea what they are doing. Many of them can barely read English and don’t fully understand the instructions from their “hosts”. Hotels are completely set up to deal with this, apartments in the middle of a residential building, in the middle of a residential block, are not.

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evgeney t1_iyyai07 wrote

Good. Get fucked airbnb and wanna be slumlord wantrapaneurs who create listings and fuck up neighborhoods.

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tondracek t1_iyyeqp5 wrote

Good. I’m traveling to your great city this month. There are hundreds of great hotels to choose from. There are also some really cool airbnbs but most of them are just ordinary apartments that should be providing a home for somebody.

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werdnak84 t1_iyyfp5l wrote

Good. They raise the cost of living for everyone else.

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sirzoop t1_iyyli5y wrote

Hate to break it to you but most people use the platform for 1-3 night stays. If the point is to rent them a week at a time they are basically saying fuck off to a majority of people who want to use the service. Why do you think we are seeing such a huge decrease in bookings recently ?

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danthefam t1_iyynjaq wrote

I support extended stay hotels as well, but even those were targeted by legislation. Bill de Blasio signed off a de facto ban during his last days in office on new hotels. Airbnb got so popular because visitors felt hotels were not meeting their needs for longer temporary stays in the first place.

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keepmoving2 t1_iyyq4x1 wrote

My landlord used to rent out his downstairs unit but tourists kept coming upstairs to our door and trying to unlock it for some reason. I think it has to do with how Europeans have the 2nd floor as Floor 1.

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ctindel t1_iyyud72 wrote

I was so pissed that Uber got rid of the rewards program with the earning free rides. I used to take it all the time and then when it was gone it was like... well might as well take lyft more often.

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Round-Good-8204 t1_iyzhzto wrote

Exactly. Unfortunately, nobody cared about locking in a fixed rate at like 4% because "it could go back down, you don't know".

I don't even own a house or car or any loans in my name, and I still feel like I'm catching the back end of the fallout because now everything I need is more expensive. Even local bodegas are charging more for stuff because they need the money to cover their ridiculous mortgages.

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Round-Good-8204 t1_iyzil9w wrote

So your basically saying "have enough money for a week long vacation or don't vacation at all", are you fucking stupid? Some of us only stay for one or two nights because that's all we can afford, vacation-wise. Should I not be accommodated simply because I have less money to spend?

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thezachman16 t1_iz03m8o wrote

That's a big win. 10K more homes just came back

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briggsd514 t1_iz044ur wrote

At some high end hotels, housekeeping or cleaning staff do come twice a day - second time is turn down service. But that’s hardly a common thing. More common are hotels having more green practices like not fully changing all linens everyday unless specifically requested.

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LanEvo7685 t1_iz071d1 wrote

This is me recently, just quickly Googled and it's within price range of my normal AirBnB targets.

AND, it's actually at a desirable location, the quality is known and has miscellaneous amenities, and it has free airport pickup which is another expense for abnb.

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Souperplex t1_iz08tch wrote

And nothing of value was lost.

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FeistyButthole t1_iz09nty wrote

The also have a history of employee codetermination that is not strictly using employees as a fungible commodity.

It’s a bit like comparing buttholes and navels.

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jaj-io t1_iz0b5z0 wrote

For me, it was never about being "in style." Airbnb was more affordable than hotels for the longest time. Now the pricing no longer makes sense. I've seen some absolutely absurd charges from Airbnb owners in the past year or so. No thanks, I'll stick with Marriott for now.

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TheJobsDone t1_iz112a6 wrote

The only ones sad about this are greedy Airbnb hosts.

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Dichotopotamus t1_iz114va wrote

LOL why so many negative comments? It's literally basic economics. Skyrocketing inflation, lockdowns stopping Airbnb hosts revenue. Remember most of them are independent owners, not hotel chains who have the scale to manage that downturn. So Airbnb hosts have to recoup by charging crazy rates or they're going to get foreclosed. I suspect many comments here are economic illiterates or deniers. We know the type.

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throws_rocks_at_cars t1_iz13y7n wrote

In American Dad, Steve and Stan are leaving a CIA safe house full of the bodies in mafia mobsters that they just killed:

Steve: “Shouldn’t we clean this up?.. or tell someone about these corpses?”

Stan: “Pff, it’s a CIA safe house, not an AirBnB. We don’t have even to… run the dishwasher, before we leave.”

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throws_rocks_at_cars t1_iz151qr wrote

I’ve been living out of AirBnBs for the last 10 months and you are both correct.

Many people use them for 1-3 days but that is the least cost-effective way to do it. If you are using an AirBnB for any period less than 2 weeks then you are just burning money. That doesn’t stop people from doing so, and it’s because the AirBnB UI is “software company” level, and, like Robinhood to other banking apps, Coinbase to a local wallet, a good UI goes a LONG way. Hotels aren’t clustered this well and they are typically spread among their various apps and websites, all of which are worse than AirBnBs user experience.

Then you get there and realize the $200 cleaning fee that the previous tenant paid was obviously NOT used for anything because every single corner is full of spiderwebs and dead bugs and for $110 a night they didnt even both refilling the crusted-over hand soap dispenser in the bathroom..

Very sick of AirBnBs in America. In Mexico (urban areas and beach towns), it’s still great, and if you’re looking for a really unique (and expensive) architectural find, AirBnB is still the way to go in the US, especially around national parks. The real move is to follow travel nurse advice if you want to do month-long traveling engagements. But most of these places list through AirBnB anyway and once you find the place you can do some research and find their website and book directly through their own site instead of letting AirBnB take a cut.

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Pool_Shark t1_iz1ee85 wrote

That’s not the whole store though. When AirBNBs were first getting popular the hosts were people who had an extra room or were going out of town for a while and wanted to earn some money. Over time Super Hosts came about who own multiple properties that solely exist for Airbnb rentals and they maximize the prices much more than the mom and pop style leasers it started with

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lionelhutz- t1_iz1ipku wrote

No but they did that with Uber and it worked. Raised prices though. This is a good solution because so many airbnbs are run illegally in buildings that don't allow it. This is guaranteed to decrease the number.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_iz21sbx wrote

Fuck Airbnb.

Like other "disruptor" startups, what was conceived as a decent idea on-paper (rent out your spare room on occasion for some beer money) has turned into a predatory, largely unregulated industry of illegal hotels that makes the housing crisis worse and exists in a game of perpetual cat-and-mouse with regulators.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_iz23e0n wrote

>If you're good with credit cards and Google, you can get so many good deals on hotels and flights.

This is why I never got into the Airbnb fad.

Between credit card points and direct incentive programs from hotels, you can get some great deals and savings, esp. if you travel somewhat regularly.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_iz23rnd wrote

Every now and then I read some story about hosts who took out mortgages on properties to solely use as an Airnbnb and how some new proposed legislation would fuck them and all I can do is laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

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Own_Decision_4063 t1_iz2nxel wrote

I thought airbnb was illegal in nyc under any circumstances? It has contributed to housing shortages and illegal rentals and displacing tenants.

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lemming-leader12 t1_iz2wso6 wrote

Honestly shut down all 40k. Fuck Airbnb. 40,000 new apartments and rooms on the market would definitely help.

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NKR1978 t1_iz32zrq wrote

There are some rooms at lower end hotels in Las Vegas like that with bunk beds. It makes a lot of sense for a party hotel that caters to young people on a budget. Wouldn’t make sense for an upscale hotel though.

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NKR1978 t1_iz348cz wrote

Chase Sapphire Reserve with 10x Lyft points and free Lyft Pink (which also includes Seamless +) is the best part of that card. No delivery fees and 15% off every Lyft ride plus the points. If you don’t have, it’s a great card for living here.

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NKR1978 t1_iz34q6r wrote

And when you arrive early at a hotel you can leave your bags, probably take a shower, use the pool. You arrive early at an AirBnB you stand on the street waiting for the guy to arrive with the key.

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sujihiki t1_iz3qtje wrote

Nyc should ban airbnb. It’s a giant failed experiment that filled a hole in the market that didn’t exist.

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Hrekires t1_iz4ugsj wrote

I wonder how many of these listings are actually apartments.

I was looking for a place in Manhattan for my parents to stay a couple weeks ago and it felt like 99% of AirBNB listings were just rebranded hotel rooms.

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sunpalm t1_iz54oar wrote

Hmm I don’t know, I could see a bachelor/ette city (like Nashville) selling suites like this easily. The bunk beds wouldn’t cut it though, give me my own room.

And it doesn’t have to be a luxury suite with a baby grand piano and crazy amenities, either. Just a few small bedrooms with a combined common area/kitchen for the same price as everyone getting their own room would be perfect for girls/guys trips.

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