Users often report submissions from this site and ask us to ban it for sensationalized articles. At /r/nyc, we oppose blanket banning any news source. Readers have a >responsibility to be skeptical, check sources and comment on any flaws. You can help improve this thread by linking to media that verifies or questions this article's claims. Your link could help readers better understand this issue. If you do find >evidence that this article or its title are false or misleading, contact the moderators who will review it.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

Well that waste of money should now come to an end. Really gonna fight someone for trying to exit through the gate. Really ridiculous.

[deleted]

MTA will settle lawsuit for $250k.

Wow that’s cause of fare invasion. Why the private guards need to beat them, can’t they just fine and that’s it?

>“Overwhelmingly, the criminals are fare evaders, so if we do a decent job of discouraging fare evasion and stopping people who are engaged in it, we’re going to catch a lot of criminals,” MTA CEO Janno Lieber said in October.

Do they actually have a documented study on this, or is he talking out of his ass based on feelings?

The guy was not even fare beating. He was just trying to exit thru the emergency door. And no, these guards don’t have authority to ticket anybody. They are just there as a presence and MTA hopes that people won’t jump the turnstiles upon seeing them. Pretty sure the city/MTA does not want these guards engaging physically with fare beaters in anyway.

So now they stop you trying to get out of the station.

People need to stop jumping the turnstile

Remember when we predicted this would happen and users here were insistent it wouldn’t? And when people insisted these guards should have guns?

You think people should be strong armed and beaten for "theft" of $2.75 in transportation cost? Ok, Javert.

Except he was trying to exit the station, not enter it

So we can’t use emergency door to exit anymore??

If you like your face the way it is, nope

If it were me I'd take this to court, this would be a slam dunk case

What does this have anything to do with what happened? The guy was trying to leave the station.

As is expected from dumbass rent-a-cops.

I want to know if any of them had a valid SGL

Inquiring minds want to know.

Predictably, the Post readership is evenly divided between "nothing wrong with this, woke liberals don't believe in punishment" and "this is because of the Democratic mayor being corrupt."

Maybe that comment was just a PSA?

Nice try Janno Lieber

Everyone that commits crime on the subway is definitely dutifully paying their fare before committing said crime!

You were never supposed to use it unless it was an emergency, hence “emergency exit”.

DA will prob prosecute lol

Predicted what would happen? Armed guards have considerably more training and qualifications than unarmed guards, who take an 8 hour course and earn their security certificate. That’s like comparing a doctor to a medical assistant.

In no way, shape, or form would the presence of guns have improved this situation.

Armed guards wouldn’t have gotten “emotionally” involved in a dispute with a person looking for tiktok clout. You’re basically implying that they were going to hand these type of guards a gun and say “good luck”.

If you say so then that must totally be the case.

[deleted]

So some kid trying to get “tiktok clout” messed around with the wrong people and found out?

It seems as if they asked him to not go through the emergency exit and the he got into a verbal altercation and started recording them. He could have just went about his day and went through the turnstile exit, but everyone has to unnecessarily cause a problem these days.

People open the emergency doors so that people on the other side can enter without paying. I see it all the time at the Times Square stations. More worried about crime in the subways instead of fare beaters.

So… no, we don’t have a study, just vibes.

Right, and these guys were hired specifically for fare beating, which is why they told the individual to not use the emergency exit.

I don’t know I don’t work for the MTA, but I imagine they have access to that data.

You are explicitly allowed to use it if you have a stroller or a wheelchair etc. the phrasing is just the mta trying to discourage people from using them.

Stopping someone from using the emergency exit is a stupid thing to flip your shit over. Of all the fun things to get arrested for, he decided to go to war for the MTA lmao

Did this person have either of those? The fact that they got into an altercation with the guards and started recording them tends to make me think they didn’t.

Agreed, I’d be more interested to see what the entire interaction was.

Never said they did just that they aren’t only for an emergency.

More like he just won the lotto. Subway rider will file lawsuit against the MTA for negligence.

"He should have complied"

If a guard asked you to use the turnstile instead of the emergency exit, would you have gotten into a verbal altercation with them and started recording them? Seems pretty ridiculous.

Probably, I’m sure that’s what he wanted to happen anyway.

Everyone uses it cause it’s easier than exiting from turnstile when you have a bunch of people trying to swipe in via turnstile to enter

There has never been any sort of citation or source for this, but it, predictably, keeps getting repeated.

Would be simple enough to back up their claims with that data if they did.

On both sides, yeah.

As well as carrying packages or luggage, and sometimes it's easier or even necessary to use the gate if you're disabled (which might be invisible), rather than have to trek back across the platform to get to the turnstiles.

I use both turnstiles and gates to exit when I ride, depending on the day and my circumstances. I'm invisibly disabled. I'm sure these security people would never consider that.

I feel like there’s more to the story, because they didn’t just jump on him and beat him. He probably didn’t like that someone told him he can’t do something, got rude and probably berated them and got handled.

They pay $1 million a month for security and day it’s led to a $100k uptick in fares… 🤔

Yup, probably an entitled loser

Janno Lieber is so sickening to see on the news 🙄🙄🙄

The funniest part was him suggesting a redesign of turnstiles/emergency gates for the sake of fare revenue.

$20 billion in potential fares missed out on!

Ppl with bikes and large items often use it

There’s been a lot of stations with bottlenecks at the turnstiles during rush hour because these guards won’t let the security exits open.

That’s definitely what happened, people on here are too soft. They’re also very quick to demonize working class PoC (which these guards are) without due process, yet will make any excuse for why a career criminal shouldn’t be held in jail.

And a an uptick in lawsuits for god knows how much.

I knew them idiots was gonna do this.

Now the payouts. Millions for an officially sanctioned beat down. They should have got that woman who faked that young child into believing his iphone was hers. That would have been some stuff.

Is there a video? Of course there is.

Idiots. Why are idiots in charge? It's almost like whoever is in charge is an idiot.

cause the police have such a great track record of controlling their emotions smh

[deleted]

[deleted]

This is what happens when you think you're an actual cop, but you're not an actual cop.

Yes, that is not that hard to get. No criminal records of any kind, plus a few hours of training / instruction.

Honestly, I’d expect it from regular cops too.

Spoken like somebody who has never sued transit lol. TA / MTA are never in a rush to settle a case. This guy will have his work out for him to get a penny. Source: I’m an attorney who sues them on the reg.

They suck!

When the MTA hired private guards to stop fare beating they were not clear on the “beating” part.

Yet the literal roof is crumbling on to the tracks. 2023 is going to be the year of jumping the turnstiles, especially when they raise the “fares”

Aaand that’s the the end of this program.

It sounds like the correct argument is simply for more training. Guns don’t need to be added to the situation.

"The guards — employees of a firm launched by a top aide to Mayor Eric Adams"

We don't even care anymore huh?

If only we had this same level of accountability for cops

yeah, because when I think of a demographic that I trust not to be unhinged, it’s “dudes who’re ineligible to be cops for various reasons but still want to have a gun at their day job”

[removed]

Lol not everyone who’s an armed guard wants to be a cop, and many are retired from various law enforcement agency’s. It’s extremely difficult to get a armed guard license in NY. If you were ineligible to be a police officer, you wouldn’t be able to get an armed guard license.

Did you expect the mayor to go through procurement process? This was probably a no bid contract.

How long does the average lawsuit last from beginning to end? From starting the lawsuit through case closed/payment?

Shit I laughed hard at this hahaha. Anyone could have seen this coming though

A lot of men who go into police, security guard/bouncer, correction officer, etc work are men with anger issues, who used to be bullied when young & are looking to exploit the little bit of ‘power’ that they get from these types of jobs & take out all their frustrations & aggressions on the people they happen to come in contact with

And the idiots who come up with foolish ideas like this are usually the ones in an office, making the 6 figures, who most likely do NOT take the train, so they have NO CLUE in what’s really needed & what can logically work in the subway. Smh

I'm also (basically) invisibly disabled (although if anyone ever paid attention to strangers it's not all that invisible when you see my gait, etc). I have been physically injured by people who refuse to yield right of way on turnstiles so I always use the doors when I can. Now I can look forward to Rent-a-Robocop yelling at me to comply, I guess.

If the MTA does not want people (including people with heavy suitcases/bags, bikes, mobility aids, etc) to use the convenient, practical doors, then the MTA should work out a way to separate incoming and out coming turnstiles. Those of us who are older and have physical challenges don't need to get into games of chicken with narcissists who don't bother to look at whether someone is coming the other way or not.

They don’t pay… period (without deep litigation). So you have your incident, file your notice of claim (within 90 day), have your statutory hearing (hopefully within 60 days) and then you do your medical treatment…. 1 year and 90 days from the accident you are required to file suit and then the shit show known as litigation begins

If everything is in your favor, and the municipality decides to be cooperative, you can have discovery and despoliations done within a year and a half or 2 years… then you file a Note of Issue (states you are ready for trial)… the City courts are a fucking half decade behind right now so maybe no see a trial date within then 2 years following (5 years total)… and that is assuming all things fall your way

It’s an utter shit show out there when it comes to MTA/TA/MTA Bus /MABSTOA. A litigious, unorganized, municipal organization that spits in the Face of the public that pays its existence

OMG! I thought a nice chunk of MTA’s budget was going towards lawsuit payouts (like NYPD payouts) so where is the bulk of the MTA budget going towards? Because a lot of employees died & retired recently & I doubt that they hired any employees. They hired P/T consultants to clean the trains that worked for agencies, not MTA! They need to open the books because I’m sure there’s a lot of mismanagement going on

You say they suck, I say they're doing a good job by not rolling over to slimebag lawyers

I wish I could tell you. The transit companies in NYC are shit. I can go on for days about their deficiencies. I can say confidently that their poor hiring and poor contract half left them in a position where they pay exorbitant amounts of money in “fake” Overtime and to their pensions. Source: so people don’t think I’m randomly anti-labor

If they were run properly, you wouldn’t even be able to wrap your head around the levels of efficiency and safety available for mass transit.

To each their own. I honestly hope that you never have an incident with TA/MTA that requires their assistance to make you whole.

I can give you a hundred examples of a person injured on or by a bus, who is entitled to to have their medical bill paid by NYS law, that end up having to pay out of pocket for months because the No-Fault department won’t provide a claim number.

Seems like you’re not familiar with the legal profession as a whole though, and that’s not a surprise, most aren’t.

God forbid you encounter an issue with them though, and are talked in circles while you are unable to get much needed medical treatment that they are liable to assist you with obtaining, please DM me and I will direct you so you don’t get screwed.

Your opinion might be uninformed but you are absolutely entitled to every protection available to you by the law, even if you don’t know that it is available to you.

The crazy thing is that this guy was just trying to exit the station. Imagine getting beat up by simply trying to leave the station through the emergency exit, the one that everyone uses. They just hired a bunch of thugs for no reason.

🤣 facts

>A lot of men who go into police, security guard/bouncer, correction officer, etc work are men with anger issues, who used to be bullied when young

In my experience, it's been the ones who were the bullies who ended up becoming cops/etc as adults. The perpetual D-student meatheads who just loved shoving people around when they were kids/teens who grow up and want to be able to punch down legally.

But I'm sure examples could be found in either direction.

"MTA officials have used unarmed security contractors to patrol subway emergency gates since the summer, and are expanding the effort to more stations."

I'm sorry, the police budget was how much this year?

You’re telling me more people evade than paying a bunch of peoples salaries fuck Eric adams and his corrupt cronys

I had the same question! Why are they hiring private security at all?? There are already tons of cops in the subway

I second this, i know first hand, as i litigate many cases against the mta. They’re told not to settle.

Because DeBlasio did give a shit about the Subway.

MTA is a State agency.

It’s a foreman. It’s upper management. Not your average worker taking in that much over time consistently. Should lock up those who committed fraud

Right guns are well known for making people more level headed and less emotional!

The plot thickens.....

Transit officials did not immediately provide a cost estimate for the
unarmed guards, who are being paid through a third-party contractor.

https://nypost.com/2022/10/26/mta-turns-to-turnstile-jumping-crackdown-as-way-to-combat-subway-crime/

Even if it was true... none of these programs are aimed at making serious reductions in fare evading by homeless/mentally ill nuts. They'll just go to a different entrance, or get a ticket they won't pay, or worst case scenario a brief trip to get their id verified at the station if they're not carrying one, and will go straight back to fare evading because they don't care and there's never a high enough coverage rate except a few entrances to a few stations in tourist heavy areas to make getting caught something frequent enough to be a deterrent for them.

This. It's always the guys who peaked in high school.

The victim will sue the MTA and whatever the private security firm is, no? It'll be the third party security settling though, wouldn't it?

Probably because it’s not the best use of police resources to have them solely standing at turnstiles waiting for people to jump them.

I wish there were cops around to immediately arrest cops who beat up suspects

Help me here with MTA/City train of thought. “People who don’t pay the fare are criminals. We will hire criminals to fight criminals.” Does that sound right? Who qualify the guards? How much are we paying for their “service” of standing by emergency door all day?

Hold on, Eric Adams somehow convinced the MTA to hire private security from a company founded by an aide of his to stop turnstile jumpers? Where's the NYPD in all of this?

http://home.globility.com/~superdog/fun/asshole.html

When one bullies, two become cops

At this point it would be sensible to have a training course for private security on what is & isn’t allowed so things like this don’t happen again, hopefully.

>If they were run properly, you wouldn’t even be able to wrap your head around the levels of efficiency and safety available for mass transit.

This is how i felt coming back from Korea. Cheaper system that is cleaner and works better.... if they could figure out how to keep it running 24/7 they'd be the greatest in my mind.

Good question but it is not necessarily the case.

MTA in this situation can be liable for “negligent hiring” and “respondeat superior” (employers are held responsible for actions of employees, such as security companies, who are acting in the course of their employment)

Because Hizzoner's buddy needed a gig?

And safely! They don’t even have “track” incidents because their subways are separated from the platform by doors (similar to the air bus at the airport)

Our public transportation leaves so much to be desired.

.#releasethetape

They've been around since the DeBlasio days.

Where did you get these figures?

This sub should be renamed r /nypost nypost is super republican and they are drinking buddies with this subs favorite Mayor Mr. Adams

Eric Adams should be sued personally

It’s really not about stopping fare evasion. it’s about inspiring a feeling of safety, misplaced or otherwise.

Adams is accomplishing both. Providing safety and helping the MTA beat the crap out of fare evaders. You see what he did there right?

1. Grab the fare evader that opened the Emergency Door when exiting

2. Beat the crap out of him

1+2=Safety which ='s money in the MTA's pocket.

As genius as it gets. This is the best Mayor NYC has had in a long long time. /s

Gotham City!

Is there a Post “style guide” where they HAVE to say straphanger over and over?!

Honestly it sounds like the opposite of nypds issue. Nypd settles everything to avoid paying more in legal fees while mta fights everything to avoid paying settlements

Laughs. I can only imagine it's worse if iit happens on a P.A.T.H. platform.

slow down there buddy… there’s enough boot to lick you don’t have to rush so fast. take your time and really enjoy the leather flavors

It’s not the best use of the MTA’s resources either

Ha!

I wonder if you get as much of a kick as I out of how wrong some of these armchair lawyers can be counselor.

From the article

If only real cops could get arrested for this kind of thing as fast as rentacops do.

It almost seems like there should be a city-run department to police the subway and enforce the city’s laws. Something like, policing enforcement? Or … a police …force?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don’t see any mention of those numbers in the article.

Pet peeve was there were barely any garbage cans throughout the whole metro system. Even in the restrooms, there were barely any. Also lacked elevators in many stations. Was annoying traveling with suitcases. Besides that, their metro was pretty good

Because of the difficulties in suing the MTA, would it be more fruitful to sue the contractor? Dunno about this particular company, but maybe they'd be more inclined to settle? Or at least their insurer.

[removed]

Shell corporations: not just for the private sector anymore!

Which is just bananas as a legal strategy.

"Oh look here's a claim where we definitely fucked up and are definitely going to end up paying. I could settle it right now for $250k or I could pay a legion of attorneys and paralegals several years' salary to be super obnoxious and then either settle it with interest or get taken to the cleaners by a jury. Yeah, let's do that, can't have those money-grubbing people we injure thinking we're soft!"

I can't even tell you how many MTA employees came through my old firm looking to sue their foremen for racial discrimination, hostile work environment, retaliation etc. They're truly committed as an organization to fucking over anyone who isn't management.

A tale old as time. That’s every company. Upper management has company interest in line. Not your average worker

@Wowzlul “difficult” is a loaded word. A good attorney can navigate all the difficulty with relative ease, it just takes time.

OPs original comment that I have been expanding on makes it seem like getting money from MTA/TA is quick, and that isn’t true.

Litigation is just a nasty business. Nothing is easy and there are a lot of bumps in the roads.

It’s always important to get yourself quality attorney who can guide you and get you compensated for your injuries and future limitations

Very cool!

Half of these security guards are on their phones the entire shift. People, they are using our taxpayer money to pay these guards to do nothing. The other half of these guards are on a power trip and abuse their power thinking they the cops. Thanks a lot Adams

I wish they would’ve beat me. I would’ve had my lawyer asking for 2 million and it’s a wrap.

Talk about dedication to your job, more people should have that type of work ethic

i agree. i wish the riders would be more respectable to people with a physical challenge exit. i have seen where they are trying to exit but some freeloader is rushing past them to get in. cool they don't want to pay but let the person with a physical challenge exit.

lol really there is no way.

exactly. this is the main reason why people complain about the mta. they don't respect poc or the common working class man. it's gratuitous rebellion. exiting through there out of spite when he didn't have a stroller, cart or bike.

the police get to hide or sit in break rooms and collect a check. riders must be careful on public transit. see how easy it was for those tourists to get robbed right on the platform.

Fail to do so and every two bit film flam artist and their lawyers will concoct Fugazi scams for a cheap payout.

Perhaps litigation reform might help?

The “victim” got exactly what he wanted.