What forced hospitalization feels like in New York City, as Mayor Adams pushes for more
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mamiyaRZ67 t1_iyp7hdu wrote
Boo hoo. It's much more humane than throwing them in a cell in Rikers. These people are totally incapable of taking care of themselves and they will never be rehabilitated. They need to be moved into humane asylums for the long term.
goBolts35 t1_iyq4smq wrote
And you expect these asylums to be built, staffed, and funded when?
mamiyaRZ67 t1_iyqecuc wrote
Yesterday.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iysfyjo wrote
Okay, give them a raise, then.
Elaine_Benes_Lovr t1_iyqnwvl wrote
40 years ago
Rottimer t1_iyvnj9c wrote
They don’t care as long as they don’t see them.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iysg36a wrote
Lmao it’s hilarious how you just want to force these people to ascribe to your cruel worldview of the ends justifying the means. That’s not how people work.
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyvd6qj wrote
Yeah, well if they can't live in society, then what do you want? If they want to be crazy and unrestricted, they can live out in a forest in the middle of nowhere, not in the middle of a city full of people.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyx4neg wrote
> Yeah, well if they can't live in society, then what do you want?
We can build them houses and give them the care they need as a stipulation for getting a house.
> If they want to be crazy and unrestricted, they can live out in a forest in the middle of nowhere, not in the middle of a city full of people.
None of them want that. Especially if they’re addicted to a substance or suffering mental health issues. Stop projecting onto them.
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyx9sd1 wrote
And what if they'd rather not get help, and would rather keep screaming at Asian women and pissing on subway stairwells?
This isn't about helping the down and out bum with a heart of gold, it's about the guys that go into Starbucks bathrooms and smear their shit all over the walls.
Also, if you're giving out free houses for staying sober I'll take one.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyxc75q wrote
> And what if they'd rather not get help, and would rather keep screaming at Asian women and pissing on subway stairwells?
What makes you so sure they won’t?
> This isn't about helping the down and out bum with a heart of gold, it's about the guys that go into Starbucks bathrooms and smear their shit all over the walls.
Yeah, I was referring to them. It’s called the carrot and stick method. You just wanna use sticks.
> Also, if you're giving out free houses for staying sober I'll take one.
That’s not what I said. Jesus, you people can’t stop projecting and lying and using falsehoods to make up your arguments, can’t you?
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyxgx0j wrote
Dude, you don't seem to get it. There are some people that can. not. be. helped. They WANT to be crazy. They don't want to be medicated. They don't want to be sober. And they would sooner stab you than not if you tried to make them. And the second they are out on their own they will go back to their old ways.
THESE are the the people that need to be forced into involuntary treatment, probably for life.
There is sometimes no cure for crazy. Pills and therapy are not a cure all.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyy1ggv wrote
> Dude, you don't seem to get it. There are some people that can. not. be. helped. They WANT to be crazy
Lmao are you calling every mentally ill homeless person the joker? Fucking lol
I knew I shouldn’t have been taking this conversation seriously.
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyy1vuc wrote
Yeah, I don't think you really get what I was going for. I meant that they do not want doctors, do not want treatment, do not want medication. They just want complete unfettered freedom to do whatever they want.
Obviously they would not choose this as their default setting if given the choice. But they'd rather live with the crazy than treat it.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyy9m55 wrote
Please show me proof actual homeless people are like that.
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyyb8o9 wrote
Go work in homeless services for a decade then get back to me.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyybm97 wrote
Lmao like you’ve worked there?
Do you really think someone would do that? Tell lies on the internet?
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyycyzq wrote
No, but I have a relative that did. Burned out after ten years and left him very disillusioned.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyyf06g wrote
And so you take that out on… the homeless? Why not the people in power who could’ve helped him?
Iridium_Pumpkin t1_iyyho5x wrote
No genius,I'm saying these views because I know someone that worked in the sector for a long time, and basically what he said was that there is no real way to solve the homeless problem until you separate out the junkies to forced treatment and the severely mentally ill to permanent institutions.
Then you can start dealing with the people that can actually be helped. But the junkies and severe crazies ruin a lot of the services and public goodwill for everyone that could genuinely use the help.
And that's why I'm with Adams; lock up the batshit crazy ones where the won't be a danger to themselves, but chiefly longer a danger and public plague to others. I'd love for the subways not to smell like piss anymore. Or have to avoid the empty train car because theres a dude masturbating in it.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iyzpnd5 wrote
> No genius,I'm saying these views because I know someone that worked in the sector for a long time, and basically what he said was that there is no real way to solve the homeless problem until you separate out the junkies to forced treatment and the severely mentally ill to permanent institutions.
So you’re defending your argument with anecdotal evidence? Nice one lol
> Then you can start dealing with the people that can actually be helped. But the junkies and severe crazies ruin a lot of the services and public goodwill for everyone that could genuinely use the help.
And still you’ve yet to show any concrete evidence that that happens. 🤔🤔🤔
> And that's why I'm with Adams; lock up the batshit crazy ones where the won't be a danger to themselves, but chiefly longer a danger and public plague to others. I'd love for the subways not to smell like piss anymore.
Lmao then you’re backing the wrong horse. His plan does not do that.
happybarfday t1_iz1odzi wrote
Walk out your fucking door lol... you're just putting your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALA while some homeless guy is right now shitting his pants and groping a woman on the subway... you're the reason nothing ever gets accomplished, because your delicate sensibilities can't handle the fact that people are far more fucked up than you want to admit and your solutions are pathetically ineffective.
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iz2c71j wrote
So no proof. Cool.
happybarfday t1_iz2dt97 wrote
You really think I give a shit to go hunt down some research paper to prove shit to a troll on the internet? You're not worth that.
If you've never seen a homeless person do anything even slightly distasteful in public then you either are a billionaire who never leaves their upper east side mansion, you're blind, a shut-in, or you don't live here in the first place...
Yes right okay, I'm totally making this shit up and every homeless person is just a nice, friendly, totally sober, totally mentally stable guy or gal who lost their job and they just need a free apartment and $1000 and they will be perfectly fine forever.
happybarfday t1_iz1o40k wrote
Are you just willing being stupid? The poster you're responding to literally said "there are SOME people" and you just immediately jump to some dumbass defense insinuating they must mean ALL homeless people because you don't have the capacity to engage with the actual argument at hand. Like read the fucking words...
Evening_Presence_927 t1_iz2car1 wrote
Even then, some homeless people being literally the joker is basically beyond satire at this point.
happybarfday t1_iz2deng wrote
Yes that's exactly what was said "literally the joker"... are you daft? No one said homeless people are killing politicians and burning piles of cash and doing heists at bank...
There are many many many incidents of homeless and/or disturbing individuals who wander around in public harassing and attacking people, pushing people on the subway, exposing themselves, menacing people, openly doing hard drugs and drinking, soiling themselves and facilities and passing out in public and private places, etc.
I know because a lot of that stuff has happened to me and or people I know, or I've witnessed it happen to others.
None of that has anything to do with the Joker so I'm not sure why you think that's some amazing gotcha comeback...
The only joke here is how your entire agenda seems to be to downplay and handwave the seriousness and frequency of these incidents.
[deleted] t1_iyr8q7k wrote
I hope you never need mental health care against your will.
okfnjesse t1_iyr9e7e wrote
I hope if they ever need mental health care against their will, we have a place available for them to go instead of rotting on the streets, getting a huge gangrenous foot, getting raped robbed and stabbed, coming down from crack highs, and committing an uncontrolled act of violence that leads to them murdering someone. This is not an exaggeration of what it's like for mentally ill people out on the streets at the moment. These people need care not freedom
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