tiregroove t1_ix5nujy wrote on November 20, 2022 at 10:57 PM

Reply to comment by SilenceDooDooGood in Weekly Crime Thread - Week of November 15, 2022 by AutoModerator

>We should make it a crime to sleep on a train or sidewalk; the only penalty being you are held in a shelter overnight. But we need to stop letting the homeless refuse services, they need the help and they'll never get there if we don't make them. These are a few suggestions that would help greatly.

We should make it a crime to be this absolutely fυскіnɡ stupid and ignorant, the only penalty being you lose the right to vote.
Are you fυскіnɡ serious? Criminalizing homelessness?

NetQuarterLatte t1_ix6ikoz wrote on November 21, 2022 at 2:55 AM

Moving a homeless person from a train or from the streets to a shelter sounds reasonable.

Making it mandatory also seems reasonable, specially if that’s becoming a public disturbance. If I understand correctly, the only thing that would be illegal would be to refuse it.

Criminalizing homelessness is terrible because homelessness is not something people usually choose, it’s something they are a “victim” of.

But people who purposefully choose to stay homeless when there are available alternatives? I don’t think that’s in the same league of moral/ethical consideration.

tiregroove t1_ix7jax1 wrote on November 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM

>But people who purposefully choose to stay homeless when there are available alternatives?

One day you ought to ask a homeless person (or actually look it up) WHY they don't go to a shelter.
It wouldn't possibly cross your mind that there might be a reason now, would you?
https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/4/5/22366758/new-yorkers-choose-streets-over-homeless-shelters

The other reason they MIGHT be homeless is (who woulda thunk) the enormous wage/wealth disparity, where wages have stagnated for 15 years while housing/living costs have multiplied by at least a factor of 4 over the past 20 years, and yet all that gets built is more and more luxury housing because guess what, there's no profit for developers in building 'affordable' housing.

Otherwise known as 'late-stage capitalism.'

It's completely tone-deaf and sanctimonious of you and anyone else to pass judgement on homeless, or tell them what they should do, or suggest laws be passed to criminalize people simply for being poor.
I find it comical no one is suggesting passing any legislation to increase funding for homeless services and looking for solutions like increasing taxing on developers, who are making end-runs around zoning laws to build more and more unnecessary luxury skyscrapers while getting BILLIONS in city and state subsidies, i/e free money, while letting the homeless forever twist in the wind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/nyregion/nyc-tax-credit-housing-crisis.html

NetQuarterLatte t1_ix7ujyr wrote on November 21, 2022 at 12:34 PM

NYC already spends 3 billion per year in homelessness.

You’re once more mixing people who become homeless involuntarily with those who choose to stay homeless.

You can’t blame that on capitalism.

If you’re blaming incompetence on the homeless shelter operations, lack of safety etc, then I’m with you here.

needimmortality t1_ix6z6tf wrote on November 21, 2022 at 5:29 AM

The guys above phrased it poorly but he is right to suggest some sort of action (forced treatment ,forced move to a shelter , etc) is needed to tackle the homeless problem in the short term. Sure , do long term things but need something short term.