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Rtn2NYC t1_ix3va6e wrote

TLDR the post article is lazy trash but this is an actual problem being considered by serious people and many teachers have issue with our curriculum.

There is a serious problem with how reading is taught most places in the US. When most of us learned, we learned phonics - learning what sounds the letters made and how to blend them together to “sound out” a word. They literally don’t do that anymore.

A while back there was a push by grifters to change to something called “balanced literacy” which is complete garbage. It involves learning “sight words” and literally guessing at words by context. This method encourages students not be challenged but to be assigned to “read on grade level” with the theory that giving students challenging material will discourage them from reading. This works while books are simple and illustrated but every study shows student reading progress largely cratering after grade 3.

There have been articles about this change lately in many reputable (ahem- think NYT, not NYP) papers challenging this new pedagogy because it has absolutely DESTROYED kids’ ability to read. It’s now widely been discredited and there is a push to fully eliminate its use, but the cities are the most resistant to return to “traditional” methods. In TN, where it was scrapped a few years ago and replaced by phonics and other older reading methods, scores have improved dramatically over any other area, which continue to see declines.

Students can’t write because they are taught that spelling, punctuation and grammar are (I am not making this up) if not outright racist, systemically unfair to POC due to either large amounts of ESL or AAVE. Thus their work isn’t marked for this (these mistakes aren’t corrected and certainly cost no points from the grade).

This is, I think, the real reason for the push to eliminate standardized testing, from middle school to LSATS. Kids in high school who were subject to this now can’t read and the decision makers and for profit education materials company lobbyists are covering their asses on this.

There is a serious problem with high level union and administrators falling for this type of stuff to justify their inflated salaries and own ego. More power needs to be given to teachers to run their classrooms and engage children without new, difficult and untested methods.

I think teaching is a very noble profession and it is high time we start letting teachers have serious and meaningful input on methodology (for all subjects but especially early learning) and policy (including disciplinary) without then having to worry about “wrongspeak” or we will continue to use them as a human shield while big business and unelected bureaucrats line their pockets at the expense of children.

Source: have daughter, realized while the pandemic why she couldn’t read and taught her phonics, now she attends Catholic school after a lottery fiasco and is a total bookworm whose writing, spelling, vocabulary and grammar are dramatically improved.

I could say “not my problem” but… Education IS the great equalizer and there is a reason a public education is a right. I can afford private school but many can’t. Failure to change course on this will result in more kids being unprepared for college or even struggling in non-degree requiring occupations. Is is a national emergency IMO and we should be sounding the alarm as loudly as possible that we are setting kids- especially poor and ESL kids- up for failure.

So, I volunteer at a family literacy clinic where families, often immigrants whose parents’ English reading skills are rudimentary, come for reading and math help. A group works with parents and another with kids (5-13, with most around 10) on reading and math skills. Many of us (some, frustrated teachers) are elder millennials or young GenX and teach using phonics. The kids make a ton of progress and parents have thanked us for teaching them how to sound things out because halfway through elementary school their kids had not been taught this.

I lean a bit more conservative than this sub (I’m center-left, so my extended suburban family thinks I’m a card carrying full communist) but in reality I’m just a parent who did very well largely because of my love of reading, and wants my and all kids in the city to have the same advantage. The NYP is right here for the wrong reason- no context, no background- utter laziness. But if you are interested check out Karen Vaites on twitter who is a literacy advocate here in NY who is pushing for change from within the left.

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Rottimer t1_ix54p1a wrote

omfg, please speak to some teachers.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ixcuqbh wrote

Great rebuttal. Other teachers in this thread have also pointed to years of balanced literacy as the culprit

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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix453lj wrote

Karen Vaites is an idiot. Shes big in the Keep Schools Open no matter what movement and is anti-masks and anti-vax.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix4ijit wrote

Regarding open schools, she advocated for the same policies recommended by the WHO and in Europe and Asia (not to mention most of the US outside of big cities, and private schools everywhere). Big city schools, specifically here in NYC, were absolutely closed for too long and even Dems, including Hochul, have stated it was a mistake. She also was more measured and far less obnoxious than the majority of open schools crowd. She’s not anti-vax.

I cited her as a source as a literary advocate, and she is only one source off the top of my head. The move away from Balanced Literacy (originally implemented under GWB, if I recall correctly) is a National and non-partisan effort. So even if she had “expert syndrome” on COVID dangers in school, she is not wrong on her actual expertise and there are plenty of corroborating studies and other advocates and organizations that support the return to phonics based early reading instruction.

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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix55guh wrote

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Rtn2NYC t1_ixcunoh wrote

None of that has anything to do with literacy advocacy and while most of those grifters have moved onto to vile anti-trans and crt, she’s pivoted right back to literacy. I honestly think she was critical of school closures and got stuck aligning with people she’d ordinarily not because the issue was so polarized.

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IronManFolgore t1_ix5iwm1 wrote

>Students can’t write because they are taught that spelling, punctuation and grammar are (I am not making this up) if not outright racist, systemically unfair to POC due to either large amounts of ESL or AAVE.

crazy, who is asking for this? I'm an immigrant so I was in ESL classes. I grew up surrounded by kids that were all 1st or 2nd gen immigrants. My elementary, middle, and high school were 95% minority and low income but we still learned phonics.

When did this shift start in NYC? I started learning English about 20 years ago.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ixknpdn wrote

Don’t know. Just what my daughter told me when I asked her why she was allowed to submit assignments in all lower case letters with no marks off for spelling, grammar or punctuation

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fppencollector OP t1_ix3vs3z wrote

Thank you.

Is Karen Vaites on any other platform besides Twitter?

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix4ca4x wrote

To expand on the above, and as noted by a professional educator in the comments (someone with likely a masters degree and years of experience), children’s stories are often used as scaffolding, especially when teaching kids critical thinking and bias. Why? Because most kids know them well and don’t by nature critically examine them, and are generally issue-neutral/ non-controversial on their face (as opposed to jumping into a long form article on SCOTUS or Breonna Taylor).

Who what when where and why are obvious at first but dig deeper. Who is writing the story? The Bear Post or the Bear Villiage Times? Why is a child breaking into Bear houses? Is it an isolated incident or part of a larger trend? If a study was done, who funded it- Bear Rights Org or Big Bear Security Co.? Is she a colonizer, barging into their habitat, utilizing what suits her and discarding the rest, pushing them further to Bear Reservation? Or are the bears developers who ate her mom, took her home, renovated it, jacked up the price and she’s reclaiming it as protest? Is she acting alone or is this some grassroots (or astroturfed) larger movement? Is it a boarding house, and Baby Bear’s things are “just right”- is this class solidarity, do she and baby Bear have common goals/class struggles against landlords despite their differences? Is the story pushing an agenda and could it be made more neutral, or could details be added or removed to bias the reader to one side or the other?

The assignment worksheet shown clearly demonstrates the class discussion was about a civil rights case in Chicago and the story was designed to teach structure.

EDIT: THAT SAID, I agree the assignment is more like 6th grade level, tops, and multiple students reported being unchallenged and bored, and other NYC teachers were critical. To my point in the earlier comment, the administration’s comment is dismissive and demonstrates an unwillingness (or inability) to justify what’s happening here.

This I think demonstrates a failure due to removal of tracking and lack of proper early reading instructions and disinclination to continually use increasingly challenging materials. The Scarlet Letter is not that challenging of a text and reading a summary instead of the book is likely due to students not reading at grade level and the school essentially teaching cliff’s notes, which is indeed problematic. Though elsewhere ITT it notes this might have been a special education section of a general class - wasn’t noted by the admin but wouldn’t put it past the NYP to omit that detail.

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Traditional_Way1052 t1_ix4h6uw wrote

Thank you. You explained it so well. Exactly. The whole point is to practice on something super easy before moving on to increasingly more complex tasks. Indeed this was probably a do now or starter and likely took a few minutes before they moved into something more complex.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix4jccm wrote

I read the Post to keep an eye on what narrative is being pushed. Sometimes they do have a salient point or two but I feel like it’s a broken clock situation and even then, most often those points are already being addressed and reported on elsewhere.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix3wvv6 wrote

You’re welcome. This is an area that is very important to me. You can check out her work at her site.

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