Submitted by exgalactic t3_z3teeo in nyc
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Sickpup831 t1_ixnm0mu wrote
Sounds like they’re turning the inability to obtain a liquor license into a trend to still make some profit.
traggedy_ann t1_ixnr2j8 wrote
If I want to be in a dry space I'll go to a straightedge show. I'd rather get punched by a sweaty ex-con than hang out in an overpriced yuppie bar.
The_CerealDefense t1_ixnt7ta wrote
People try this every handful of years in cities big and small and almost never works out, mostly for business reasons.
Anyways, Im actually surpised on the lack of non-alcoholic beverages in most bars. Anywhere in the west, even small bars usually offer a handful of stuff like kombucha, teas, or specialty soda and more, even on tap. NYC its very minimal.
1nv1s1blek1d t1_ixnvxdt wrote
I’m not paying 12 bucks for 6 oz. of juice.
AnacharsisIV t1_ixnz7dj wrote
Iirc this does brisk business in Mormon towns and I wonder if this business model could be exported to those Islamic cities with more money than sense like Doha or Abu Dhabi
neighborbozo t1_ixnz8na wrote
You are right. They are paying for influencers and have also paid for this story.
BurnTheCrown t1_ixnze4r wrote
15 bucks for soda with bitters? Lmao ok
The_CerealDefense t1_ixo0x27 wrote
No clue. But I suspect there may be cultural issues in those areas that may not work out. (Not sure just initial thoughts, it’s an interesting idea)
The_CerealDefense t1_ixo17or wrote
At the least ones referenced in this story it’s not the case
One is a pop up concept specifically to be non alcoholic. Hekate is just a coffee shop, the owners also own a bar across the street.
AnacharsisIV t1_ixo270q wrote
As long as you're not using bacon grease in your cocktails what cultural issues could you run into?
P0stNutClarity t1_ixo287d wrote
Seriously this is stupid lmao they know when people drink they get frivolous with spending. They’d 10000% prefer a liquor license. I’m definitely not ordering multiple rounds of “mockshots”
The_CerealDefense t1_ixo2rzf wrote
I’m not sure if the bar/social life aspect would work in those cultures. Especially mixing men and women. And dating isn’t as straightforward and such. I’m not sure how many locals would be open to “bar culture”. Even in many counties that are fine with alcohol, bar culture can be almost nonexistent or very different than the west.
shep_pat t1_ixo4gjy wrote
Yeah but also as a long term bartender, a lot of people have quit since Covid and the hugely growing Asian population don’t drink much. Nyc night life has sucked for a while, another nail in the coffin
CactusBoyScout t1_ixo6sws wrote
I’ll drink to that
Edit: Wow this beer is strong.
havenless t1_ixo7yvk wrote
jonishay8 t1_ixoc3dt wrote
What a nonsense take. Where do you bartend
shep_pat t1_ixod9r7 wrote
I’ve been bartending in fine dining for 25 years. I’m sure you know better lol. Non alcoholic cocktails are on every menu. Ten years ago it was unheard of. Now go away
jonishay8 t1_ixodtwb wrote
Every cocktail is a mocktail without alcohol added to it? What a groundbreaking take. Asian population growing in nyc and not drinking much? Even more groundbreaking. Gtfo
shep_pat t1_ixodwl9 wrote
Get a clue
The_CerealDefense t1_ixoervq wrote
Just so you know. Statistics and research show that Asian populations in the US are overwhelmingly lower rates of drinking than other ethnicities and are at the bottom for alcohol consumption. So when they say Asian populations in the US don’t drink as much, that is true.
Here’s just a few studies
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db374.htm
https://www.statista.com/statistics/620318/alcohol-use-treatment-in-the-us-by-ethnicity/
And a nyc related one
https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/brfss/reports/docs/1812_alc_drinking.pdf
Head_Honchoo t1_ixoguy8 wrote
I don’t think people understand these Is full on non alcoholic liquor these days
SuffrnSuccotash t1_ixombz8 wrote
I don’t know why the hostility. I’ve never been a drinker and I’m so stoked bars and restaurants are finally including non alcoholic options. It always seems so stupid to me not to at least think of pregnant women or designated drivers at the very least.
shep_pat t1_ixon1d6 wrote
“What a nonsense take”
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flairbear19 t1_ixouanp wrote
💯 there are so many alternatives! NA spirits, wine, beer and everything else you could want. As a sober person who appreciates an elevated zero proof cocktail I’m here for this movement!
sysyphusishappy t1_ixouh2i wrote
>‘Better conversation’
[x} doubt
Boring_Painter475 t1_ixouvjz wrote
This is becoming rlly popular
Yevon t1_ixowtd5 wrote
Athletic Brewing makes some great non-alcoholic beer. Their Oktoberfest beer this last September was better than all the other non-German breweries.
I'll drink Athletic if I prefer to to not have a hangover the next day but I still want to have a few beers after work.
justknicksthings t1_ixozppm wrote
any you like in particular? i’m trying to cut back but definitely have a fondness for an evening drink.
Head_Honchoo t1_ixozw73 wrote
Amas is a good brand so Is lyres, we use them in high end cocktail bars to non alcoholic cocktails
justknicksthings t1_ixp0dio wrote
thanks! appreciate the response i’ll check em out
metz270 t1_ixp0l20 wrote
The hostility towards the concept of people wanting to go out without getting drunk is so bizarre to me.
I know people who have unhealthy relationships with alcohol, and it’s been really refreshing over the years to be able to go to places that offer mocktails so that they can still socialize without feeling too out of place.
Nothing about this trend is aimed at replacing bars that serve alcohol or guilting people who want to get drunk. It’s literally just providing people who don’t drink with more options.
I’ve noticed a lot of people who are insecure about their own relationship with alcohol project their issues onto people who don’t want to/can’t drink, and it’s super irksome to see that borne out here in these comments. Live and let live.
iStealyournewspapers t1_ixp21c0 wrote
And why drink all those calories if it’s not gonna give you a good time?
iStealyournewspapers t1_ixp24ll wrote
Got really drunk last night. Can confirm.
Irish_Pineapple t1_ixp3jdr wrote
As someone who used to go to bars all the time and enjoyed trying cocktails but doesn’t drink anymore - this is awesome. I can understand that people think it’s a passing trend and not seeing the point, I used to feel the same way. But, kind of wish people would be a little less cynical of something like this. Being dry all the time can feel like you’re missing out, so even silly seeming ways to help people feel part of something should be applauded.
Isawthebeets t1_ixp78ep wrote
But how will Fabrizio cope?
Quirky_Movie t1_ixpft7w wrote
Aren't the only places you can drink the bars and restaurants in their entertainment district. They must have something like this already.
QuesoGring0 t1_ixphjpa wrote
So Um…Starbucks?
some1saveusnow t1_ixphs5v wrote
It’s good at preventing unwanted hook ups too
AnacharsisIV t1_ixpjt7f wrote
Iirc there's a strong coffeehouse tradition in Islamic culture but the whole "mixing liquids to create new drinks" isn't a major part of it.
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CaroleBaskinsBurner t1_ixppahy wrote
Abu Dhabi already has a ton of bars and nightclubs that sell alcohol. So a non-alcoholic bar wouldn't be a cultural problem.
jonishay8 t1_ixpv2za wrote
Making a blanket statement about literally billions of people is nonsense.
Gozillasbday t1_ixpwp5z wrote
I understand people wanting sober options and it's good to have them. However I'm not sure this will work out the same as alcohol at bars. Are you going to go somewhere and have 4-6 juices for $10+ each in one night? Are you going to get a a top shelf juice that costs extra? Juice bottle service for the table?
Babhadfad12 t1_ixq1phn wrote
Juice being sugar laden fruit flavoring. Maybe they will use low calorie sweeteners.
Babhadfad12 t1_ixq1xj3 wrote
Those still are not a thing on the west coast after 10 years of cannabis being legally sold, so I would expect to wait a long time for those to come to NYC.
FormerKarmaKing t1_ixq28rk wrote
Yup. Alcohol is hard to replace as a product bc having one makes you want another. Like even people doing injectable opioids don’t do one after another after another. Not saying that to be funny, but the average bar tab relative to the bar’s rent is really hard to replace, whether it’s marijuana, non-alcoholic, whatever.
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Babhadfad12 t1_ixq3av0 wrote
Oops, seems like CA allows it (but many cities in CA do not), and WA/OR do not allow cannabis lounges.
Either way, I assume pushback for “public consumption” if only to grease more political wheels, considering how long and hard fought cannabis stores were.
jeffsayno t1_ixq3n2v wrote
i wouldn't pay that for alcohol either
randoreds t1_ixqc39q wrote
Idk, I feel like soberity is trending upwards, I think peeps will keep trying it and eventually some will stick. I know multiple people who orders mocktails
Leather-Heart t1_ixqc9t0 wrote
No, we’re just not going to bars anymore. Please understand a bar without alcohol sounds silly.
StOlaf85 t1_ixqcd6a wrote
Lol. Cheers 🍻
CasinoMagic t1_ixqg512 wrote
The term "California sober" does imply California, after all.
CasinoMagic t1_ixqgls6 wrote
The dudes for which drinking alcohol is 75% of their personality are probably the same (or friends with) the ones for which eating meat is their biggest personality trait. Bonus point if they like to shit on vegans, or consider that buying a plastic wrapped steak in a supermarket fridge makes them manly. Similar phenomenon with drinks.
mrs_mellinger t1_ixqhji6 wrote
I think you're being sarcastic but since I can't tell - there's way more calories in a cocktail than a juice and you can still have a good time
mrs_mellinger t1_ixqhrnx wrote
People in these comments seem to believe what you're paying for in a $15 cocktail is the $0.50 of alcohol
iStealyournewspapers t1_ixqht5w wrote
Of course, because the alcohol adds so much in calories, but at least you get something in return on top of your beer belly :)
dadefresh t1_ixqi06y wrote
I quit drinking 10+ years ago. I would love it if more places served better non alcoholic drinks like NA beers or mocktails.
A “bar” that doesn’t serve any alcohol at all is not what I want.
the_bionic_investor t1_ixqi6wf wrote
We need to adopt the Arab coffeehouse model where people just hang out there for hours chatting with friends.
nasimehehe t1_ixqi9k9 wrote
I love the idea of alcohol free bars or - whatever. A third space that stays open late/r.
I don't like the assumption that every adult social function must revolve around alcohol.
EN96 t1_ixqiotj wrote
I don’t get why everyone in the comments is so offended by this. If you don’t like it, don’t go. It’s nice to have something social to do that doesn’t revolve around drinking in NYC. As someone who doesn’t drink anymore for no other reason than it just wasn’t serving me, it’s nice to go somewhere with my husband after dinner or a movie.
You don’t have to understand everything.
EN96 t1_ixqjem5 wrote
If you like Aperol, Wilfred’s is a good alternative. My husband likes Kentucky 74 and Free Spirits bourbon. The non-alcoholic wines are great too—they’re real wine that’s been dealcoholized.
Icy-Performance-3739 t1_ixqk2fp wrote
Only 50% (some say 30%) of office workers work in the city now. So you got a big brain drain and Debby Downer has entered the chat and she drinks mocktails and is interestingly Asian!
nikkideeznutz t1_ixqkrua wrote
Why are people so fragile about what you are saying?
brihamedit t1_ixql6g2 wrote
We need weed bars with chill out lounge where people sit around and enjoy some music, talk. Chillout soundproof spaces. Game area for physical games to play. Of course food and drinks. Naked waitresses would be a big plus too. City needs to put the hammer down in favor of sex work, nudity.
Also nyc needs a new avenue for revenue. Wall street already expressed how it wants to move away. So nyc has to build vegas style businesses (better than vegas) to survive. No other way around it.
CorporalDingleberry t1_ixqmpus wrote
If I didn't drink, I'd rather do an activity for nightlife that isn't trying to be the bar scene. It's trying too hard to be something it's not. It's sort of like how impossible burgers tries to be real hamburgers.
Who on earth is going to be a similar price for a mix of juices and soda as a cocktail? At least it makes a little more sense why alcohol costs more (liquor license, tax on booze, liability the bar has).
If I don't drink, I don't want to sit around at a non-alcoholic bar to pretend I'm drinking. Like I said, I rather do something not centered around drinking (i.e. Jazz/music lounge, late night museum, board game cafe, etc.)
Ajkrouse t1_ixqo1eu wrote
NYC already has cannabis lounges but they are a bit underground for now. Like speakeasies during prohibition.
30gorillas t1_ixqrwxm wrote
Everyone has to go on their own journey after they quit drinking and if this is helpful to you on yours then God bless my friend, speaking only for myself almost 14 years after my last drink I can say fuck everything about this no thank you.
shep_pat t1_ixqsdck wrote
Idk. But any bartender will tell the same thing.
pepino- t1_ixqub1t wrote
Went to their first pop up and did get a “hangover” because the cocktails were so sugary. There’s a way to do NA, I would not say this is it
ejpusa t1_ixqwpx6 wrote
It's going to be pretty awesome when the Cannabis lounges open. Oh wait, they are? Like Paris in the '20s I'm hoping.
We'll talk about Wittgenstein, Art, Politics, Love, Romance, and the human condition. Bring about World Peace, and explore the hidden corners of human consciousness! VS throwing someone through the window because they scuffed your sneaker. People go crazy (in the USA) with ethanol. Just what what we do.
I have high hopes! :-)
rpithrew t1_ixqxqu7 wrote
Everyone is on stimmys and anti depressants
Irish_Pineapple t1_ixr0fua wrote
No to any of that lol. I’m with you at least in the way that I don’t see these being a particularly lucrative investment compared to owning a regular bar or club.
SourSour821 t1_ixr0y3e wrote
I love this! I’m a bodybuilder so I don’t drink. I noticed guys struggle to come up with date suggestions bc food and drinks are out but still want a quick escape in case I’m a catfish (or vice versa). This is a nice idea and I’ll be suggesting this on future dates
iStealyournewspapers t1_ixr1o21 wrote
Also funny, just realized you have the same name as my first girlfriend’s mom.
The_CerealDefense t1_ixr7oq2 wrote
Aren’t those for non-locals only? Not sure
The_CerealDefense t1_ixr7toj wrote
Yeah. The average ticket is one (of several) things that makes the non alcoholic version a lot worse. Of course your costs are lower but it’s basically a coffee shop at that point.
nighthawk648 t1_ixr9g78 wrote
Literally miss me with all of this... go be sober dont be so obnoxious about it... the rest of us will produly be loud and obnoxious about our functioning alcoholism tyvm... yes its supposed to borderline sarcasm but i rele hate hearing about sober people antics. Theyre obnoxious just like vegans
nighthawk648 t1_ixr9q4e wrote
Literally miss me with all of this... go be sober dont be so obnoxious about it... the rest of us will produly be loud and obnoxious about our functioning alcoholism tyvm... yes its supposed to borderline sarcasm but i rele hate hearing about sober people antics. Theyre obnoxious just like vegans
1nv1s1blek1d t1_ixraqj6 wrote
Most of them are probably vegan.
nighthawk648 t1_ixrb027 wrote
Cries in espresso martini
CaroleBaskinsBurner t1_ixrddse wrote
I think it gets a little dicey for native Emirati Muslims (like they're technically not supposed to drink but it's not entirely enforced), but the country's population is 89% expats. Which includes a lot of people (mostly Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, etc but also Brits, Americans, Africans, Canadians, etc) who were born and raised there.
MurkyLibrarian t1_ixriivh wrote
Yeah, a late night cafe is more appealing to me than this.
manticorpse t1_ixrkadc wrote
People upthread started shitting on vegans just a couple hours after you posted, lol.
As a non-evangelizing teetotal pescetarian who just wants to be able to have options when I go out, well... insecure, hostile people can go enjoy their coc au vin (or their beers and ribs, idc) and I will enjoy my plant-based and non-alcoholic options, and so long as they leave me alone to my own choices we won't have a problem.
But it's still funny when they start vomiting up their own insecurities whenever they are confronted with the concept of other people making different personal choices.
manticorpse t1_ixrl8qo wrote
There is a genre of person that gets offended by anything existing that doesn't cater to them personally...
kjuneja t1_ixro1ml wrote
>Oops
Nice misinformation there, chief
Timetofacethemirror t1_ixtdgib wrote
Many sober people are in recovery... Interesting that you'd hate to hear about people helping themselves from dying a fatal disease....
NicksOnMars t1_ixtxso5 wrote
Sober vegan here. Comments like yours illustrate just how much unhealthy behavior is normalized, while simultaneously demonizing people trying to better themselves. Sober people are not obnoxious, we're left out. Vegans are not obnoxious, we're laughed at. The smallest pip-squeak of "any NA drinks?" or "what are your vegan options?" are perceived by people like you as "antics," when really we're not doing shit but chilling. Meanwhile, Mr Meat-sweats in the corner is on his 10?th beer, loud, incomprehensible, and acting a fool. Tell me again, who's the obnoxious ones? I understand you may be struggling with your unhealthy decisions. But dont come after me. I too once felt guilty about my alcohol and animal consumption. I suspect you may be in the same boat.
nighthawk648 t1_ixu4qgu wrote
Ehhh this what. I mean obnoxious
NicksOnMars t1_ixvvttn wrote
Ah, yes. Let's all just ignore the risks of drinking. Over 100,000 people die from alcohol in the US every year. Some of us dont want to be part of that statistic. Many of my friends and family, and even myself have been negatively affected by a destructive substance that is shoved in our faces at every opportunity. But that's besides the point. I dont even want to argue if drinking is good or not, cause you already know the answer. Lets talk about the article. It's not telling you to change your life, just mentions a new trend, and reveals a couple new interesting spots. Meanwhile, there's like a thousands normal bars. These new spots are refreshing and low key. They're literally just an alternative option in a sea of liquor. Why are you triggered? Enlighten yourself.
makemearedcape t1_ixwmyzd wrote
$16 mocktail menus kill me. When I go with friends to nice cocktail bars and ask for something non alcoholic, 9 times out of 10 the bartender will make me something delicious and charge like $6 or $7. That’s my sober pro tip 😅
Bertie_Woo t1_ixz4s9d wrote
Can't you miss them by just going to a normal bar?
Bertie_Woo t1_ixz5lwl wrote
I don't think you'll be able to convince someone like this, at least not without (possibly affecting) a friendly attitude. I used to be a vegetarian, but quit because the issue is so far off most peoples radar.
Bertie_Woo t1_ixz5xhi wrote
To be fair you brought up the vegan thing. If you stigmatize the friendly vegans the obnoxious ones will make more noise.
bekibekistanstan t1_ixzpshm wrote
Heavy drinkers who know they’re killing themselves slowly but not ready to acknowledge it yet
sk8_bored t1_iy1d7nh wrote
10 years of weed being legal in california and it's still not sold in convenience stores like it is in NYC. false equivalence.
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JoeSicbo t1_ixnith3 wrote
Thank Bog I’m old…