MurrayPloppins t1_iy54v0e wrote on November 28, 2022 at 8:43 PM

Reply to comment by ChornWork2 in A Rikers Officer Had Sex With a Detainee. It Took 7 Years to Fire Him. by marshall_project

Strongly agree with this. Private sector unions work to support the interests of labor, against those of capital owners. Public sector unions work for the interests of labor, against the interests of the public in general in the form of the government (provided you believe the government works generally for the benefit of the public, which…. Kinda?).

NetQuarterLatte t1_iy5d025 wrote on November 28, 2022 at 9:35 PM

In order words:

If employees working for me (or for you) form an union: bad
If employees working for other people form an union: good

MurrayPloppins t1_iy5dtiq wrote on November 28, 2022 at 9:41 PM

Close! Unions of employees working for me as a business owner are good, because the only person who suffers from that situation is me, and everyone in the union benefits. But you replace “me” in that arrangement with the general (tax paying) public, then the benefit to the union members has the potential to be entirely offset by the detriment to everyone else. And, to the point of the guy I replied to originally, the public has the choice to change policy on public labor if needed.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iy5gi0h wrote on November 28, 2022 at 9:59 PM

>Unions of employees working for me as a business owner are good, because the only person who suffers from that situation is me, and everyone in the union benefits.

Your employees can just quit and find a better job, no?

That's what they do with government jobs, for example:

>Among larger agencies, vacancy rates were highest at the Department of Buildings, at 24.2% (489 vacancies), the Department of Health at 19.1% (1,189 vacancies) and the Department of Social Services at 17.3% (2,256 openings).

https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/9/6/23340069/health-housing-buildings-public-sector-unemployment-rate-high

>But you replace “me” in that arrangement with the general (tax paying) public, then the benefit to the union members has the potential to be entirely offset by the detriment to everyone else.

How so? You seem to be framing unions as a strictly zero-sum thing.

>And, to the point of the guy I replied to originally, the public has the choice to change policy on public labor if needed.

If this sub is any indicator, our government would only employ people at minimum wages and fire people at a whim. Like https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-20221111-hihcpddocrfb3jq6toftxj5nee-story.html