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IRequirePants t1_ivyfy8v wrote

>I guess dems should sit on their hands

Maryland, Illinois, Nevada.

In NY, they probably could have gotten away with a less aggressive one.

Edit: Someone asked if they actually would have gotten away with a less aggressive gerrymander.

This is a good question. It's my opinion, obviously, but let me explain my thinking.

  1. Democrats blatantly failed to follow IRC procedures. That counted against them in the final decision. Specifically, there are guidelines on what to do if there is an impasse in the IRC, including deadlines etc. Democrats just jumped straight into forcing a new map through the legislature.

  2. The original court decision basically told them this and said "fix this map by this date, and do it properly" and the Democrats just... ignored the court. The theory is that they thought they could run out the clock and the court would be forced to let them use the map they picked (this happened in Ohio for Republicans, but they didn't blatantly ignore the court). Ignoring the judiciary is also a point against you.

  3. One judge only dissented in part. He basically outlines what Democrats should have done, which is pass their original IRC map. I want to highlight this because the map Democrats presented to the IRC is not what the legislature passed. The judge points out that there were big commonalities between the Republican IRC map and the Democratic one, especially regarding upstate. Some of the blatant gerrymandering was packing upstate votes.

  4. Less specific, but I think if they passed the original IRC map, Republicans would have a more difficult time showing a gerrymander. According to 538, the result is +1 Democratic seats, -2 Republican seats, and while there are some gerrymanders, it is less obvious. In contrast, the Democratic gerrymander is +2 Democratic seats, -3 Republican seats.

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Yevon t1_iw0ak00 wrote

> In NY, they probably could have gotten away with a less aggressive one.

Is this true or just feels? A conservative court can strike down anything it wants, as we've seen with the SCOTUS, on a whim so why would they allow a slightly-leaning (D) map when they could also strike it down?

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[deleted] t1_ivyhi0j wrote

Yeah I’ll see you those states and raise you Wisconsin and Texas. What’s your point? The republicans are the party of literal voter suppression and not sure how handing over drawing a map to a bunch of conservatives in NYS is “fair” but go off. All the dems need to “learn lessons” now right? But republicans don’t I guess.

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IRequirePants t1_ivyi3ls wrote

My point is that they didn't sit on their hands.

>The republicans are the party of literal voter suppression

Turnout in NY was garbage and turnout in Georgia skyrocketed.

>handing over drawing a map to a bunch of conservatives in NYS is “fair” but go off.

Stop breaking the law.

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[deleted] t1_ivyif9p wrote

Haha you’re honestly too dumb to argue with. Now you’re going to argue republicans don’t suppress votes? Okay clown. Republicans just elected over 100 candidates who wanted to overturn the election but something about Georgia proves something in your mind.

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[deleted] t1_ivyijyy wrote

I love how you people are the first to blame dems for losing but let’s just gloss over the ways the republicans try to suppress democracy and rig the game. You’re not biased at all!!!

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